Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?

middleofnowhere said:
When Mosconi came around and I saw him dozens of times he was on the Brunswick payroll. They were not out barnstorming, these were mostly Brunswicks own assets where he appeared.

He would come to most anyplace that had Brunswick equipment though. They were always quite an event and he
did two shows an afternoon and an evening.

At the bowling alley where I hung out I was supposed to play and the advanced guy thought I was too young and it wouldn't look good, I was only about 15. I could play though, I wouldn't have embarrassed myself but wouldn't have been very good optics Mosconi beating up a child.

It was a different time though those visits by Mosconi, Balsis, Caras and all those Brunswick staff. They put those posters up and boy we'd be looking forward to it for weeks
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'Cept for the ubiquitous smoke, they were wonderful times indeed to be learning and loving Straight Pool from watching our idols. Us teenagers didn't own handheld recording cameras then. Hard to sneak them in anyway. You were likely born a couple years before the end of WWII ??
I arrived on the planet in the mid-1930s -- same age as Danny D.

Arnaldo ~ Willie himself was sending three, four packs a day into his lungs. I never once heard him cough though.
 
MattPoland said:
I do want to first say I 100% trust Bobby and Jayson that if they thought it was a foul then they’d own it. That was clearly the kind you wouldn’t feel as a player.

Second, I just don’t care. To riff on a fun conversation from the Cue It Up podcast, these high runs are a hotdog eating contest. I really get a kick out of them. I couldn’t care less if we are using tournament rules. Jayson ran an amazing 714 for all I care.

I don’t doubt he will top it again. I know in my heart that any 800+ player can run over 1000 if they put their heart into it. Jayson seems to have that competitive side to him.

If his legacy isn’t going to be 6 US Opens then it can at least be a combination of being one of the most dominant Mosconi Cup players of all time and this too. Because this isn’t a gimme. You gotta earn it. And he is.
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Thanks for the kind comments. WE were shocked that a foul was called and the rules got changed from cue ball fouls only to all ball fouls.
If Jayson got to play on Johns exact rigged table and exact conditions like being able to remove the balls to polish them after a run started,6 inch corner pockets and 5.5 inch side pockets and played under John's rules being able to rack the balls high or tilted to make room for clearance of the break balls, heaters under the table, shaved slate lips, no fouls of any kind then Jayson would beat 626 multiple times in 10 days or less and I'd bet tons on it. It's time to re review John's 626 by professional video experts to show all the details to see how legit it is and John should volunteer it to be re reviewed. Fair is fair isnt it?
 
telinoz said:
Common sense.
Very familiar with that.
I use it in all my successful businesses everyday, very comfortable thanks.

You are a hack and not that bright..
It is obvious in your post history..
You have issues mate, get help.
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Common sense is not altogether that common. ;)
 
wrldpro said:
Thanks for the kind comments. WE were shocked that a foul was called and the rules got changed from cue ball fouls only to all ball fouls.
If Jayson got to play on Johns exact rigged table and exact conditions like being able to remove the balls to polish them after a run started,6 inch corner pockets and 5.5 inch side pockets and played under John's rules being able to rack the balls high or tilted to make room for clearance of the break balls, heaters under the table, shaved slate lips, no fouls of any kind then Jayson would beat 626 multiple times in 10 days or less and I'd bet tons on it. It's time to re review John's 626 by professional video experts to show all the details to see how legit it is and John should volunteer it to be re reviewed. Fair is fair isnt it?
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6" corners, yee Gods. Maybe I could finally run 100. :D
Will never forget you Bobby and how you tried to help me at the U.S. Open when I got hung out to dry there. You're a good man sir!
 
There is clearly a foul on the 9 ball when Jayson was shooting over it. I don’t think he was aware of it. It occurred on the backstroke so he most likely would have been looking at the object ball and it was so slight it takes enhanced video to even see it
 
wrldpro said:
Thanks for the kind comments. WE were shocked that a foul was called and the rules got changed from cue ball fouls only to all ball fouls.
If Jayson got to play on Johns exact rigged table and exact conditions like being able to remove the balls to polish them after a run started,6 inch corner pockets and 5.5 inch side pockets and played under John's rules being able to rack the balls high or tilted to make room for clearance of the break balls, heaters under the table, shaved slate lips, no fouls of any kind then Jayson would beat 626 multiple times in 10 days or less and I'd bet tons on it. It's time to re review John's 626 by professional video experts to show all the details to see how legit it is and John should volunteer it to be re reviewed. Fair is fair isnt it?
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First off I don’t have a dog in this fight but if remember correctly wasn’t all the naysayers complaining about Johns viewing saying part of the video was speeded up and that there could have been a touch foul somewhere I could be wrong I have been before and will be again.

Is Johns 626 run legit? I don’t know but most of the negativity was basically spewed just because some people didn’t like him personally and didn’t want him to break the record.

I’m glad that Jayson set a new record but no matter there’s always going to be different opinions on what the rules are or should have been.
 
wrldpro said:
Thanks for the kind comments. WE were shocked that a foul was called and the rules got changed from cue ball fouls only to all ball fouls.
If Jayson got to play on Johns exact rigged table and exact conditions like being able to remove the balls to polish them after a run started,6 inch corner pockets and 5.5 inch side pockets and played under John's rules being able to rack the balls high or tilted to make room for clearance of the break balls, heaters under the table, shaved slate lips, no fouls of any kind then Jayson would beat 626 multiple times in 10 days or less and I'd bet tons on it. It's time to re review John's 626 by professional video experts to show all the details to see how legit it is and John should volunteer it to be re reviewed. Fair is fair isnt it?
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I think you’re adding to the tapestry of pool. I know John has contributed in his way. I share some suspicions. And also as a US Open champion I admire him. But honestly the brightest stars shine more brilliantly.

I would suggest avoiding the “crab bucket” regarding John.
 
wrldpro said:
Thanks for the kind comments. WE were shocked that a foul was called and the rules got changed from cue ball fouls only to all ball fouls.
If Jayson got to play on Johns exact rigged table and exact conditions like being able to remove the balls to polish them after a run started,6 inch corner pockets and 5.5 inch side pockets and played under John's rules being able to rack the balls high or tilted to make room for clearance of the break balls, heaters under the table, shaved slate lips, no fouls of any kind then Jayson would beat 626 multiple times in 10 days or less and I'd bet tons on it. It's time to re review John's 626 by professional video experts to show all the details to see how legit it is and John should volunteer it to be re reviewed. Fair is fair isnt it?
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Bobby,

Could you please share where evidence to support your claim of 6 inch pockets at the Easy Street Billiards table comes from? I haven't heard this and saw the table myself two days after his run. Is this a wild accusation or do you have some support for it?

Thanks.
 
9BallKY said:
Is Johns 626 run legit? I don’t know but most of the negativity was basically spewed just because some people didn’t like him personally and didn’t want him to break the record.
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Verified by the BCA.
After viewing the unedited video, the Billiard Congress of
America is proud to acknowledge John Schmidt’s 626 run as the new 14.1 exhibition high run
record.
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Didn't even have a records archive to compare for a claim to have advanced the record.
Didn't even have a records committee when certification of John Schmidt 626 was presented by Doug Desmond in June 2019.
Didn't even have a records committee when certification of Jayson Shaw's 714 was presented by Bobby Chamberlain this year. Enlisted five pool players to assist in that evaluation.
Just moderate, move the sticks in the sand, and make changes to suit their non-existent business model.
Something smells fishy, here and it is not the pool players, that should be in question.
These fish have been overcooked.
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BCA didn't have a committee for Mosconi's run either.

I think as long as Mosconi's run was held, they probably had no interest in setting up standards, and are trying to catch up with standards now, in case this high-run chase turns into something regular.

But there many other types of billiards records that aren't 'standardized'. Some of the old ones were in the Guinness Book of World Records, but they just recorded numbers, without standardized rules up front. Guinness only seems to have billiards and snooker records and has kept those current, but has no pool records. No straight pool high runs by Mosconi or anyone else. In fact, when i looked, I got the message "No records found for Willie Mosconi"

But Guinness does record the longest duration to balance a cue on one finger (4:32:19), and the longest distance to travel with a cue balanced on one finger (20.13 miles), so there's that.
 
wrldpro said:
Thanks for the kind comments. WE were shocked that a foul was called and the rules got changed from cue ball fouls only to all ball fouls.
If Jayson got to play on Johns exact rigged table and exact conditions like being able to remove the balls to polish them after a run started,6 inch corner pockets and 5.5 inch side pockets and played under John's rules being able to rack the balls high or tilted to make room for clearance of the break balls, heaters under the table, shaved slate lips, no fouls of any kind then Jayson would beat 626 multiple times in 10 days or less and I'd bet tons on it. It's time to re review John's 626 by professional video experts to show all the details to see how legit it is and John should volunteer it to be re reviewed. Fair is fair isnt it?
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Is there any evidence at all for 6" corner pockets? Or is that another story spread by the people who freely admit they hate John Schmidt?

Jayson's table was very easy, as has been commented on many times. I know a couple of people who saw Schmidt's 626 and they didn't say anything about the table being easy, but maybe it's 'in the eye of the beholder'

If high-runs are to be a regular thing, the specs need to be standardized somehow. Right now, the comments seem to be that Jayson's run was on 5 1/8" corner pockets and soft rails, so I guess we're stuck with that as the standard for now.

Edit: From the BCA site.
On May 27, 2019 John Schmidt, playing in the Easy Street Billiards Pool Hall in Monterey,
California, ran 626 balls. Schmidt’s run, recorded on video, lasted just over 4 hours and was
played on a 4.5’ x 9’ Rebco Pocket Billiard Table on Simonis 760 cloth with 5” corner pocket
openings, and 5.5” side pocket openings. Schmidt used Super Aramith Pro Belgian billiard balls,
a Sardo rack, a Predator P3 Red Butt along with a Predator Revo 12.4 mm carbon composite
shaft that weighed 19.5 oz and had a length of 58”

So yeah, no evidence of anything other than 5" / 5.5" pockets. It is continually amazing how someone can post an uninformed comment (6" pockets), and people will uncritically accept it.
 
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gerryf said:
... But Guinness does record the longest duration to balance a cue on one finger (4:32:19), and the longest distance to travel with a cue balanced on one finger (20.13 miles), so there's that.
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Guinness is in the business of entertaining people who are drinking beer. They don't keep official records. People who quote Guinness records should only do so while drinking beer in a bar.
 
9BallKY said:
There is clearly a foul on the 9 ball when Jayson was shooting over it. I don’t think he was aware of it. It occurred on the backstroke so he most likely would have been looking at the object ball and it was so slight it takes enhanced video to even see it
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You've got the situation exactly right -- he was unquestionably focused on the OB during the backstroke, as any one would be, after first confirming that his hand bridge was doing its job. Then it's height possibly inadvertently changed by a scant millimeter. But so what, IMO, under CB foul-only guideline. Can anyone in good conscience dispute the mesmerizing purity of his incredible 714 -- new benchmark -- accomplishment?

Arnaldo
 
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Jayson’s video was given *far, far* greater depth of scrutiny than John’s video.

I believe there was a request to re-review John’s run at the same standard and that request was refused by the BCA.

Lou Figueroa
 
wrldpro said:
3 people only viewed John's claim to the 626. 2 of them don't even play pool and the other is in his 70's and the camera was a long ways from the table so it would be very hard to determine any fouls. Suggestion would be have it re reviewed by video experts like Jaysons run had to clear it all up unless John is hiding something
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So you agree with the BCA's description of Schmidt's run as being on a table with 5" pockets, and are no longer claiming it was 6" pockets? That's a start.

How far away was the camera away from the table? Do you have an image from the run? According to the people who have seen the run, the view was standard, and you've seen reports from viewers that they were watching the run carefully.

There seems to be no shortage of conspiracy ideas floating around, but nobody has provided any basis for complaint, other than they don't like Schmidt because he was once rude to them..

If anyone has been in communication with BCA or others, why not share those communications, instead of making unsupported allegations?
 
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