Would You Still Gamble With This Guy?

2 balls hit a rail and 1 ball pocketed would be an illegal break if the requirement was for 4 balls to hit rails and/or be pocketed or any combination (a pocketed ball counts the same as rail contact) is the requirement.
"3. LEGAL BREAK SHOT. The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:
a. The breaker must strike the 1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.
b. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table."

'pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.'

You only need pocket a ball. No balls hitting a rail, as long as one ball is pocketed is still a legal break.
 
My question is or observation about gambling on Pool is are you GAMBLING, or STEALING?

Tomato Tomato.

If you run a business, you charge as much as the market allows. You don’t price it so high that you have product on the shelf, and you don’t price it low enough that you’re sold out on backorders for two years or more. You price it so you sell things as or very shortly after it’s produced. In a perfect world that is.

If you don’t, someone else will.

Playing any game for money is no different. You just don’t get a business license. You charge what the market (the losing player) will stand.

If you don’t, someone else will.


People will always find a reason to part with their money. Player X isn’t all of a sudden going to keep that $5k/yr he loses playing pool because you felt like it was stealing. He’s going to go lose it to the next guy or next 10 guys.



Also, if you want to see something really interesting….go tell Player X you don’t feel the game is fair and offer a larger spot or close to 50/50 odds game.

You’ll be surprised how many actually get offended because of ego.

Call it gambling, call it stealing, call it smart business or personal investment. Call it whatever you want.
 
It would get under my skin as well. But I wouldn’t sweat it in the long run. Next time, just keep the break or say he can’t soft break. Problem solved. You guys had plenty of good sets, but now you know he’s more interested in winning than just playing.

You can use that info to your advantage. It’s always a 2 way street.

-td
 
"3. LEGAL BREAK SHOT. The rules governing the break shot are the same as for other shots except:
a. The breaker must strike the 1-ball first and either pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.
b. If the cue ball is pocketed or driven off the table, or the requirements of the opening break are not met, it is a foul, and the incoming player has cue ball in hand anywhere on the table."

'pocket a ball or drive at least four numbered balls to the rail.'

You only need pocket a ball. No balls hitting a rail, as long as one ball is pocketed is still a legal break.
Must be a strange rule set, I know I have seen tournaments where I cant remember if its 2 or 3 balls must cross the kitchen line and/or be pocketed in any combo to be a legal break and players who pocketed a ball had to forfeit the table because they didnt meet the requirement of enough balls crossing the kitchen line along with a pocketed ball.
 
I'm just curious what everyone thinks of this gambling story that happened last night after leagues. I've been gambling with this teammate many times before after our leagues. Normally between $50 and $100 a set. Based on our preliminary Fargo Ratings, I'm supposed to play him with me going to 7 and him going to 6. However, I've beat him in the past playing 8-ball at 5-3 and he gets all the breaks, at 6-3 winner breaks, and at 9-5 and he gets all of the breaks. He beat me at 9-5 winner breaks once by 1 game, and a couple other times playing 10 ball at 9-5 with him getting the 9 ball.

So last night I was playing really good. I won all 3 of my games with 2 table runs. This guy won all 3 games, but made a few mistakes. Because I felt good I decided I would play him and give him a spot again. We played 10-ball with me going to 7 and him going to 5, he gets the 10 ball, and he gets all of the breaks for $50.

He gets up 3-1 (including the spot) and he decides that he's not going to break the balls anymore. He just slowly rolled the cue ball into the rack where only 1 or 2 balls hit the rail. He did it on purpose. (An illegal break). The first time he did it, I grabbed the cue ball so I could break. Then he reminded me that he gets ALL THE BREAKS. So he took ball in hand and kept playing safeties behind the rack so I had to keep kicking at the 1 ball until the balls were open enough for him to run out.

He did this the last 2 games until he got to 5 games and won. I was obviously protesting that it was a chicken sh!t move and he admitted that why should he break them open and if he doesn't make a ball, then I could run out and catch up. He then said that he will do whatever he needs to do to win.

Well, my conclusion was that I mainly am playing for the fun of it and it's not enjoyable to play with someone who would do that. It's just not "pool" to me at all with that type of illegal soft break. I basically told him that "he blew it". I was giving him huge spots giving him a really good chance to win, because he would never play 7-6 like Fargo Rate says. And then with a big spot, he had to pull that move on top of it. So I said I wouldn't be playing him anymore.

What do you say? I'm also curious on what everyone thinks could have been done with an illegal break (3 balls or more didn't hit the rail) and he was getting all of the breaks? I didn't make him re-break, because he could have just re-broke until only 3 balls hit a rail and I would be in nearly the same spot.
He's a d_ _ k (not dork) ... why put up with the aggravation? Don't be a masochist!!
 
Tomato Tomato.

If you run a business, you charge as much as the market allows. You don’t price it so high that you have product on the shelf, and you don’t price it low enough that you’re sold out on backorders for two years or more. You price it so you sell things as or very shortly after it’s produced. In a perfect world that is.

If you don’t, someone else will.

Playing any game for money is no different. You just don’t get a business license. You charge what the market (the losing player) will stand.

If you don’t, someone else will.


People will always find a reason to part with their money. Player X isn’t all of a sudden going to keep that $5k/yr he loses playing pool because you felt like it was stealing. He’s going to go lose it to the next guy or next 10 guys.



Also, if you want to see something really interesting….go tell Player X you don’t feel the game is fair and offer a larger spot or close to 50/50 odds game.

You’ll be surprised how many actually get offended because of ego.

Call it gambling, call it stealing, call it smart business or personal investment. Call it whatever you want.


I call it something I personally do not engage in. Maybe it is because I world had for money.

Remember back in 1970’s stopping on way home to watch the money change hand at North Hollywood Biliiards. Some night what I card at time a month pay would be lost by player.

Use to send cold waves down neck, but to the gambler it was just paper.
 
I call it something I personally do not engage in. Maybe it is because I world had for money.

Remember back in 1970’s stopping on way home to watch the money change hand at North Hollywood Biliiards. Some night what I card at time a month pay would be lost by player.

Use to send cold waves down neck, but to the gambler it was just paper.
Gambling money has no home. It circulates.

At the end of the day if you win more than you lose, that’s all that matters. Winning is a by product of matching up good. Playing is just playing. Play your best and matchup well and you’ll be alright.

That’s how I look at it. Same with all gambling. Which is why casino gambling is stupid. It’s ALWAYS a bad game.
 
Gambling money has no home. It circulates.

At the end of the day if you win more than you lose, that’s all that matters. Winning is a by product of matching up good. Playing is just playing. Play your best and matchup well and you’ll be alright.

That’s how I look at it. Same with all gambling. Which is why casino gambling is stupid. It’s ALWAYS a bad game.


I recall the guys who were at North Hollywood Billiards, who came when Hollywood Park, and Santa Snita were open . They loved betting horses. Many won big bucks playing Pool.

Many lost it all at track, think it was a disease.

Most never had much but gambling.
 
Ho
I recall the guys who were at North Hollywood Billiards, who came when Hollywood Park, and Santa Snita were open . They loved betting horses. Many won big bucks playing Pool.

Many lost it all at track, think it was a disease.

Most never had much but gambling.
Horses are a super disease, those guys have it the worst. I seen it in Vegas for decades, the men & horses and the women and video poker are the sickest of the degenerate gamblers.
 
Ho

Horses are a super disease, those guys have it the worst. I seen it in Vegas for decades, the men & horses and the women and video poker are the sickest of the degenerate gamblers.


Well we have Indian Casino in Arizona, the Indians are cleaning up.

They have hurt Las Vegas, people love slots.

The Indians always win.
 
Well we have Indian Casino in Arizona, the Indians are cleaning up.

They have hurt Las Vegas, people love slots.

The Indians always win.
They train people how to gamble at tribal casinos.

They don’t have a negative impact on tourism in Nevada
 
If you are the better player there should be a way to beat the game. Obviously you did not stipulate the break rules so I doubt you made a 3 foul rule. Just give him ball in hand until he lets you see the the object ball...then out play him. Sort of a One Pocket type game.
 
I dont understand this situation, if he makes an illegal break dont you get ball in hand? Why not safe him after the illegal break? Just because he has all the breaks doesnt mean he can break illegally. I'm confused?
 
I dont understand this situation, if he makes an illegal break dont you get ball in hand? Why not safe him after the illegal break? Just because he has all the breaks doesnt mean he can break illegally. I'm confused?
The only agreed break requirement is that the opponent gets all the breaks. Nothing was said about how many balls must hit a rail.
 
The only agreed break requirement is that the opponent gets all the breaks. Nothing was said about how many balls must hit a rail.
Plus you should not have to stipulate how many balls have to hit the rail because 3 balls must hit a rail for a legal break per almost all rule sets. No? I guess not when gambling? Nitty either way.
 
I'm just curious what everyone thinks of this gambling story that happened last night after leagues. I've been gambling with this teammate many times before after our leagues. Normally between $50 and $100 a set. Based on our preliminary Fargo Ratings, I'm supposed to play him with me going to 7 and him going to 6. However, I've beat him in the past playing 8-ball at 5-3 and he gets all the breaks, at 6-3 winner breaks, and at 9-5 and he gets all of the breaks. He beat me at 9-5 winner breaks once by 1 game, and a couple other times playing 10 ball at 9-5 with him getting the 9 ball.

So last night I was playing really good. I won all 3 of my games with 2 table runs. This guy won all 3 games, but made a few mistakes. Because I felt good I decided I would play him and give him a spot again. We played 10-ball with me going to 7 and him going to 5, he gets the 10 ball, and he gets all of the breaks for $50.

He gets up 3-1 (including the spot) and he decides that he's not going to break the balls anymore. He just slowly rolled the cue ball into the rack where only 1 or 2 balls hit the rail. He did it on purpose. (An illegal break). The first time he did it, I grabbed the cue ball so I could break. Then he reminded me that he gets ALL THE BREAKS. So he took ball in hand and kept playing safeties behind the rack so I had to keep kicking at the 1 ball until the balls were open enough for him to run out.

He did this the last 2 games until he got to 5 games and won. I was obviously protesting that it was a chicken sh!t move and he admitted that why should he break them open and if he doesn't make a ball, then I could run out and catch up. He then said that he will do whatever he needs to do to win.

Well, my conclusion was that I mainly am playing for the fun of it and it's not enjoyable to play with someone who would do that. It's just not "pool" to me at all with that type of illegal soft break. I basically told him that "he blew it". I was giving him huge spots giving him a really good chance to win, because he would never play 7-6 like Fargo Rate says. And then with a big spot, he had to pull that move on top of it. So I said I wouldn't be playing him anymore.

What do you say? I'm also curious on what everyone thinks could have been done with an illegal break (3 balls or more didn't hit the rail) and he was getting all of the breaks? I didn't make him re-break, because he could have just re-broke until only 3 balls hit a rail and I would be in nearly the same spot.
To the OP: I think you could have beaten that guy even with his safety break; that is, if you already were beating him giving up all that weight.

I can imagine myself thinking his move is chicken sh1t if it got the best of me, and he went talking trash about me to the other guys. However, it seems to me that guy is good for a little regular gas money. I would forgive him, and hope that he forgave me for getting pissy....so that I could get my customer back.

Isn't pool fun?
 
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