Is It CTE or ETC? It Doesn't Matter

Patrick Johnson said:
Good question to start with.

A range of about 7.5 degrees, either 7.5-15 degrees or 15-22.5 degrees (depending on which direction the “outside” pivot goes). This is true for each CTE solution and gets to the heart of the question - how does CTE “take you to” the specific angle within that 7.5 degree range for the specific shot you’re trying to make?

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We never think in terms of degrees of angles. Each 15 outside is shot exactly the same with no adjustments
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Good question to start with.

A range of about 7.5 degrees, either 7.5-15 degrees or 15-22.5 degrees (depending on which direction the “outside” pivot goes). This is true for each CTE solution and gets to the heart of the question - how does CTE “take you to” the specific angle within that 7.5 degree range for the specific shot you’re trying to make?

pj
chgo
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cookie man said:
Do you really not know anything about CTE?
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cookie man said:
We never think in terms of degrees of angles. Each 15 outside is shot exactly the same with no adjustments
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Is this the Devry Rope-a-Dope Pool Institute?

Do you understand what a range is?
 
cookie man said:
There is not a defined set of angles. The visual perceptions do that for you.
Please describe how to execute a 15 outside alignment.
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I think the question is geared to find out the range of a 15 outside - it covers shots from straight in to _____ degrees. You all may not think in terms of angles, but at some point you recognize when a 15 outside won't work and a 15 inside will. Just as when you recognize when a 15 inside will no longer work and a 45 is needed.
 
BC21 said:
I think the question is geared to find out the range of a 15 outside - it covers shots from straight in to _____ degrees. You all may not think in terms of angles, but at some point you recognize when a 15 outside won't work and a 15 inside will. Just as when you recognize when a 15 inside will no longer work and a 45 is needed.
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I recognize it but couldn’t begin to put an angle degree number on it. I’ve never heard of anyone with any CTE knowledge doing it either
 
cookie man said:
I recognize it but couldn’t begin to put an angle degree number on it. I’ve never heard of anyone with any CTE knowledge doing it either
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Ok say you're on a 70 degree cut. IOW a thin one. What lick do you use and what kind of precision can you get through this particular range?
 
cookie man said:
I know what a range is. Why haven’t you described a 15 outside yet. Surely you don’t speak out against something you know nothing about
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I didn't ask to dance. I just want to know the range of this piece of shuffle. Is it 15 degrees as is? 7.5? 30? And if as you claim the same process makes anything in that range, then you are simply making educated guesses at the shots.
 
straightline said:
Ok say you're on a 70 degree cut. IOW a thin one. What lick do you use and what kind of precision can you get through this particular range?
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On a thin cut you would use a 60 inside or outside depending on the shot. Why don’t you answer questions?
 
straightline said:
I didn't ask to dance. I just want to know the range of this piece of shuffle. Is it 15 degrees as is? 7.5? 30? And if as you claim the same process makes anything in that range, then you are simply making educated guesses at the shots.
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Not dancing. You just can’t handle the answers given. No guessing, just properly applying the system.
 
cookie man said:
On a thin cut you would use a 60 inside or outside depending on the shot. Why don’t you answer questions?
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You didn't answer what I was asking about. You see as teacher, you need to provide answers that allow the inquisitive to formulate a knowledge base. Anyway thin cuts should be the most difficult to discern so I asked about thin cuts. So with your 60 in or out that's at least one thing you can toggle still, one or the other isn't precise enough to nail the thin ones.
 
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BC21 said:
FEEL can also described as that moment when you know that your body is aligned in accordance with what you're seeing. That type of "feel" is called proprioception.

Sometimes we feel dead on, and sometimes we feel off a little. We don't visually recognize that our body is slightly misaligned - we feel it, or sense it. And sometimes we don't feel it or sense it very well.

Sometimes we can feel on and be off, while other times we feel off but we're really spot on. That's where the conscious mind isn't quite in tune with the subconscious networks that our vision is triggering. From pool to golf or tennis or whatever, it's all the same.

Here's the basic sequence of steps that occur in order for us to perform anything that involves hand-eye coordination and muscle memory:

1. Conscious effort: We look at or see the task that needs to happen.

2. Subconscious reaction: The body begins to move into position to perform the task.

3. Conscious effort: In the working area of the mind we double-check or evaluate that our body is positioned or aligned properly to perform the task. (This is the "feel" part.)

4. Subconscious reaction:If step 3 is a thumbs up, perform the task as programmed (pool stroke, golf swing, throwing a ball, swinging a tennis racquet, etc...) If step 3 is a thumbs down, or unclear, repeat step 1 and see if a slightly different subconscious reaction/program gets pulled up.

All of this happens in a fraction of a second. But if the conscious mind isn't fully focused on the task, or if our vision isn't working at its best, the performance is stalled, or it occurs with poor or no double-checking or evaluating what the subconscious offered up.

And the subconscious isn't always accurate. It is simply reacting to what we see and hear and feel, sending programmed action to the working area of the mind at lightning speed to match the situation we're facing. If the working area isn't cluttered with needless thoughts and emotions, the conscious mind does a great job ensuring that all is good to go before allowing any action to take place. But if you're thinking about the last thing your wife said, or the last shot you missed, or how stressful work has been lately, or what some onlooker is going to think about this shot, the subconscious program doesn't get checked very well, and it may or may not be the right action needed for the task.

There's a reason why sports psychology has become very popular among so many pro athletes - it's effective. The quailty of the communication that occurs between conscious thought and subconscious networks/programs is what determines the quality of our performance.
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This is not a word I'm familiar with, so I looked it up.

What I glean from it is that a heightened sense of awareness has to be present to begin with based on a number of different factors. In some instances, specialized training can be done but it usually involves someone that has a high skill level to begin with. It does seem very plausible, when applied to pool, that an Efren or a good number of players who sit at the top of the totem pole of pool rankings and accomplishments could have that kick in at the last millisecond of pulling the cue back that something doesn't FEEL right but I doubt it would be the visual aim unless their feet, body position, or head felt off.

They just don't grope or obsess about that part. I've seen plenty of them step away right before taking the stroke and then reset because something apparently didn't FEEL right, but guaranteed it didn't involve 2mm on the OB being linked up with something on the CB for aiming purposes.

If they do use contact points, fractions, CTE, overlaps, they all know exactly what to look for and get on it immediately.
On here it has to do more with a general area of linking up the two balls and then fine-tuned by a process of elimination with
a mini orgasm signaling it's time to pull the trigger.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
This is not a word I'm familiar with, so I looked it up.

What I glean from it is that a heightened sense of awareness has to be present to begin with based on a number of different factors. In some instances, specialized training can be done but it usually involves someone that has a high skill level to begin with. It does seem very plausible, when applied to pool, that an Efren or a good number of players who sit at the top of the totem pole of pool rankings and accomplishments could have that kick in at the last millisecond of pulling the cue back that something doesn't FEEL right but I doubt it would be the visual aim unless their feet, body position, or head felt off.

They just don't grope or obsess about that part. I've seen plenty of them step away right before taking the stroke and then reset because something apparently didn't FEEL right, but guaranteed it didn't involve 2mm on the OB being linked up with something on the CB for aiming purposes.

If they do use contact points, fractions, CTE, overlaps, they all know exactly what to look for and get on it immediately.
On here it has to do more with a general area of linking up the two balls and then fine-tuned by a process of elimination with
a mini orgasm signaling it's time to pull the trigger.
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I have yet to see Efren "pivot" either.
 
cookie man said:
Why not? Let’s see if you will answer this question, it would be a first
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So far no answers from you. Say you have a measured 81 degree cut down the rail to a snooker pocket, no slack for cling, throw, jaws, nuthin.

"One or the other" 60 in or out, simply won't do it.
 
cookie man said:
Why not? Let’s see if you will answer this question, it would be a first
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I have this loser on ignore so I can't even see what you're responding to, but I do see who it is. Don't waste
your energy and time. Do likewise. When they hide like he does and keeps pecking away like a woodpecker
at everything we say and suck us in to his shit world with responses, we lose and he wins because that's his mission.
Guaranteed even in person, you'd be looking at a first class jerk that would require an immediate disconnect to get
away as fast and far as possible.
 
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