The 5 is orange so your on my list of great people in pool.
Having said that, yes that’s the correct tactic for this position. I’m familiar. I’ve played 40 years. Good stuff here.
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Fatboy
Foul..........Poor Form..........Genius Move?
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Having said that, yes that’s the correct tactic for this position. I’m familiar. I’ve played 40 years. Good stuff here.
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Fatboy
Not a rule number, but I have correspondence from John Leyman,
Director of Rules & Referees
CueSports International
Here was my question...
"There was one scenario that wasnt mentioned under deliberate fouls. That is when you have no shot on a legal ball, so you shoot at an opponent's ball on purpose to tie it up with other balls. Therefore giving them ball in hand. Is this a violation under "Deliberate Fouls"?
His response....
"This is unsportsmanlike conduct and is penalized with a loss of the game in play."
That is copied and pasted from the email.
Man that was painful to watch. The 'solids' teams should have run out and bought a lottery ticket. The odds of running into an opponent with such colossally low table IQ are not in your favour....lol. The only way the 'stripes' team could have played that worse, would have been to directly pot the 8 ball so the other team couldn't.
...and that's a great example of why 8 ball can be the harder game when compared to 9. Tactically speaking, 9b is checkers to 8 ball chess
Fast forward hot key is mandatory when watching this one though. Dennis can be painful without a shot clock.
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Use BIH to carom off the 12 and pot the 5.
If my opponent is weak, I could heavily glance off the 12 opening up the cluster and play 2/3 rails to the top right corner. They'd have an opprotunity to return a safe from there so that's really only a good option against someone with weak CB, or on a table with rolls that can't be trusted.
If that gets called on me I'm never playing bca again lol , that's as dumb as straight 8 rules
Not saying I agree with it, but that's the ruling. I always thought it was part of the strategy of the game. That rule can be abused. I could play a safe and entrap the opponents object ball (or 8 ball) and give them no chance to make legal contact, then win the game by default?
There has to be some miscommunication, or John is sillier than I thought.
I don't know. I thought it was pretty clear what I asked him and the way I worded it.
The skill level of the stripes was well known to the solids team.
It's literally happened thousands of times in CSI tournaments that I've played in and I've never heard any ref refer to it as loss of game.
You really under sold how badly it was handled by the stirpes lol, I didn't even watch it until I saw jvs comment, that was bububad
Agreed. And they were on the hill! Undefeated through the winner's side, on the hill in the finals, BIH three times...
The carom is a good try. Now it comes down to make percentage. I guess it depends if we're playing on a valley, a 7 foot diamond, or a 9'. On a valley there is a good chance of putting the carom down, on a diamond it's a bit tougher.
If the 5 doesn't fall it's like a loss (solids can just tap the 5, leave it hanging, take away ball in hand from stripes, etc.). If the 12 banks out and sells out the 7 it's a possible loss. If the carom goes down solids has a one rail kick at the top of the 7 softly. If solids misses that kick it's a loss because stripes would then lock them behind the 12 and open the cluster. But if solids can bump the 7 the game continues, and if solids gets a hook then the 8 blocks an easy return.
I think your shot to carom the 5 is best. I guess I play on a 9' diamond with gritty cloth and balls and that shot is very low percentage where I live, but on a Valley it's got to be better than even money.
Still, going back to the linked position, what would you do with solids? Would you do something other than pocketing the 9 ball? I still like that play best. And do you agree that rolling on the 5 and letting stripes illegally pocket the 5 would be a loss?
I've been thinking about this for a little bit.. I wonder if he thought I meant that a player was actually touching the cue-tip on the object ball, therefore making it move and tying it up with another ball ? That would make sense that it would be a sportsmanship violation and loss of game.
This depends on whatever the definition of "are any good" is. The overwhelming majority of all 8-ball racks are played at the low level amateur level, and there are only a handful of actual professionals. Even if you define "any good" as anyone who shoots 100 racks of pool per year or more, and is above average within that group of people, you're probably still looking at an APA-5ish break point between below and above average.
Out of curiosity, I pulled the data from Fargorate from every "John Smith" in the system, here is the ratings;
Total Players: 57
Average: 470
Median: 496
Min: 303
Max: 640
Distribution:
600+ (1)
500-600 (16)
400-500 (16)
300-400 (24)
There are ~250,000 people in the Fargo Rate system, and the largest pool league (APA) doesn't participate in Fargo. There are another 250,000 players in the APA that by definition have a maximum average skill rating of 4.6 (max 23 per team, divided by 5).
However, there is some overlap, but typically among only the better APA players.
So, let's say the top 50% of the APA players ALSO have a Fargo rating and are thus accounted in the 1st set of data. You're left with 125,000 players split between mostly SL-3 and SL-4. At this point you're looking at an average Fargo rating for this group of no more than about 375.
Rough math then would than have an overall average Fargo of 438 among 375,000 registered people who play pool at some frequency (and I'm probably overestimating that APA Fargo), which is in that APA 4/5 range.
Long story short: There are plenty of 3 ball setups that this 4/5 player can't be expected to run out from.
Ratings conversions from Dr. Dave's site.
i guess this is the long way of saying 8ball players are low level players
This scenario came up in a tournament I played when I was on the 8
, the 8 and 1 weren't exactly like that but couldn't touch the 1 basically
I kept shooting his balls in after he give me bih, he asks if there was 3 foul n place, which there wasn't, so he got pissy and gave up and started talking shit. When I actually saw a decent return safe he could have done or at least attempt,but he couldn't see it, and supposedly near 600 Fargo, he was just upset that I didn't roll over and give it away and was able to turn the table on him