Mosconi Cup Stats -- Career Records for Players on 2022 Teams

[AtLarge]

You do understand that losing is losing right? You are also comparing him to all teammates on average not individual teammates.

BTW, thanks for all you do with stats etc.

I just updated the comparison that I did 5 years ago of Shane's record with that of his individual teammates. I posted it where the original comparison was -- in my thread that shows the records of everyone who has ever played on either team.

Here is the updated comparison: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...yed-on-either-team.464772/page-4#post-7404863

The only Team USA players in the Van Boening era with winning records of better than 50% are Archer (7 years), Styer (3 years) and Hall (1 year). Woodward (7 years) and Hatch (5 years) are pretty close.

 

[Woodshaft]

Regardless of his MC record, he is still the favorite against any of the Euro players he plays except for Filler

Ummmm....no.
SVB is even odds with any of these boys in a race to 5, 9-ball.
They've ALL beaten him in major tournaments, some many times. None of these EuroStuds is intimidated by SVB lol.

 

[sjm]

Regardless of his MC record, he is still the favorite against any of the Euro players he plays except for Filler, whereas any other US player is an underdog matched up against any of the other Euro players.

Going by memory alone, Shane has not really been having his way with the members of 2022 Team Europe.

Filler beat Shane twice at the 2021 Mosconi Cup.

FSR beat Shane in the Derby City 9-ball and again in the semis at the UK Open.

Ouschan beat Shane in the 2021 International 9-ball semis, lost to Shane in the WPC final, then beat Shane in the European Open final.

Shaw beat Shane at the Derby City Classic 10-ball and at the 2021 Mosconi Cup.

I couldn't think of a match between Shane and Alcaide in the past year.

As I went from memory, I've probably omitted some matches of Shane's against the 2022 Team Europe members, but at least in the matches I can recall between 11/1/2021 and 11/1/2022, Shane has had a tough time of it.

Of course, he can beat all of them, but to do so, he'll have to find a gear greater than that which he's shown of late. Wishing him the best.

 

[ChrisinNC]

Going by memory alone, Shane has not really been having his way with the members of 2022 Team Europe.

Filler beat Shane twice at the 2021 Mosconi Cup.

FSR beat Shane in the Derby City 9-ball and again in the semis at the UK Open.

Ouschan beat Shane in the 2021 International 9-ball semis, lost to Shane in the WPC final, then beat Shane in the European Open final.

Shaw beat Shane at the Derby City Classic 10-ball and at the 2021 Mosconi Cup.

I couldn't think of a match between Shane and Alcaide in the past year.

As I went from memory, I've probably omitted some matches of Shane's against the 2022 Team Europe members, but at least in the matches I can recall between 11/1/2021 and 11/1/2022, Shane has had a tough time of it.

Of course, he can beat all of them, but to do so, he'll have to find a gear greater than that which he's shown of late. Wishing him the best.

OK, so if you’re picking one American player to play one match against any of the Euro players for all the marbles, who would that be? For me, it would still be Shane.

 

[sjm]

OK, so if you’re picking one American player to play one match against any of the Euro players for all the marbles, who would that be? For me, it would still be Shane.

Different question. Now we're comparing Shane to his teammates and not to the members of Team Europe. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if things reach 10-10, it will be Earl in the captain's choice match.

 

[Fatboy]

Let's compare Shane's Cup performance with that of the other players on the team during the Van Boening era. Shane has played in the Mosconi Cup for 15 years now, 2007-2021.

Team USA's record in matches won and lost over that 15-year period:

singles -- 49-87 (winning percentage of 36.0%)​

doubles -- 44-61 (41.9%)​

teams -- 7-8 (46.7%)​

total -- 100-156 (39.1%)​

Shane's record over that 15-year period:

singles -- 16-25 (39.0%)​

doubles -- 17-23 (42.5%)​

teams -- 7-8 (46.7%)​

total -- 40-56 (41.7%)​

Team USA's match record over that 15-year period excluding Shane's matches:

singles -- 33-62 (34.7%)​

doubles -- 27-38 (41.5%)​

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So, looking at matches in which Shane has played vs. those in which he did not play, Shane has done a little better than his teammates in singles (39% vs. 35%) and pretty much the same in doubles (42.5% vs. 41.5%).

If we count a full point for a win or loss in singles matches, half a point for a win or loss in doubles matches, and one-fifth of a point for a win or loss in the teams matches, we have a measure of the overall contribution of a player to the match scores:

Team USA's match record 2007-2021 -- 100-156 (39.1% winning percentage)​

Shane's contribution -- 25.9-38.1 (40.5%)​

Contribution of other team members -- 74.1-117.9 (38.6%)​

Winning 40% ain’t gonna get America very far in a 2 horse horse-race.

I really hope we can come with something this year. No single player can win it for us. It takes a team effort to win.

 

[Rusty in Montana]

As a fairly new member here but long time pool fanatic I'm more than happy to stand behind the USA pool team win lose or draw and wish nothing but the best for them in the upcoming Mosconi Cup .

 

[jasonlaus]

OK, so if you’re picking one American player to play one match against any of the Euro players for all the marbles, who would that be? For me, it would still be Shane.

SKY

 

[jasonlaus]

As a fairly new member here but long time pool fanatic I'm more than happy to stand behind the USA pool team win lose or draw and wish nothing but the best for them in the upcoming Mosconi Cup .

Yes, we all wish the USA would win, but since pool is global we've all become fans of Filler, Shaw, Kaci, Gorst, Albin, FSR, etc. and it kinda puts me in a bad place since I'm a fan of more euro players than USA players since they as a group simply play MUCH better. I'm a fan of watching the BEST players and unfortunately that is Europe.

Let's face it, if MC switched to 1 pocket- an American game - I would still bet on Europe, they simply play all games better. Straight pool would be an absolute slaughter

 

[Woodshaft]

it will be Earl in the captain's choice match.

I'd pick Skyler

 

[Woodshaft]

Putting one country vs one CONTINENT has finally caught up to the Mosconi Cup.
I feel Matchroom needs to change the team selection process to continue succeeding going forward.
At this point it's like watching pros vs collegiate...

 

[Rusty in Montana]

I understand what you're saying Jason but from my personal experience when I knew I was out matched I dug deep and played better than normal , I've got to meet Shane and Earl and visit shortly with them so I would expect the same from them .
My own personal regret was I quit playing pool to spend more time raising my kids now I'm trying to make up for lost time .

 

[Fatboy]

As a fairly new member here but long time pool fanatic I'm more than happy to stand behind the USA pool team win lose or draw and wish nothing but the best for them in the upcoming Mosconi Cup .

Absolutely 100%

 

[Fatboy]

I understand what you're saying Jason but from my personal experience when I knew I was out matched I dug deep and played better than normal , I've got to meet Shane and Earl and visit shortly with them so I would expect the same from them .
My own personal regret was I quit playing pool to spend more time raising my kids now I'm trying to make up for lost time .

My only regret in life is I spent too much time chasing $ and didn’t have a family.

 

[Fatboy]

I'd pick Skyler

I wouldn’t speculate at this point. Have to be there at war and see who’s the right man for the job given how it’s played out to that point.

 

[sjm]

Yes, we all wish the USA would win, but since pool is global we've all become fans of Filler, Shaw, Kaci, Gorst, Albin, FSR, etc. and it kinda puts me in a bad place since I'm a fan of more euro players than USA players since they as a group simply play MUCH better. I'm a fan of watching the BEST players and unfortunately that is Europe.

Let's face it, if MC switched to 1 pocket- an American game - I would still bet on Europe, they simply play all games better. Straight pool would be an absolute slaughter

Bravo for this post. Like you, more than anything, I'm a fan of great pool, no matter who is playing it. I root for the US at the Mosconi, but I'm happy to congratulate anybody who puts on a display of truly superior pool.

The quality we're seeing today in the pro game is something to behold, and nothing that could happen at the Mosconi would dull my excitement over the increasing excellence of the world's best cueists.

 

[tomatoshooter]

Putting one country vs one CONTINENT has finally caught up to the Mosconi Cup.
I feel Matchroom needs to change the team selection process to continue succeeding going forward.
At this point it's like watching pros vs collegiate...

According to Wikipedia, Europe's population is about 775 million. That includes part of Russia but even without that, they have a 2 to 1 advantage in population, I had no idea they had that many.

 

[Woodshaft]

My only regret in life is I spent too much time chasing $ and didn’t have a family.

Yep, gambling is an addiction, and it alienates people in a hurry.
I don't know any gamblers with a true friend-base.
I am a self-titled "recreational shortstop", play prolly about your speed Fatboy.
I play even rotation with the local fargo 670-680 boys. (I beat them in Banks and Honolulu too.)
I don't gamble but instead teach and entertain-- I'm kinda a celebrity figure in my area lol.
A person doesn't need to play competitively to be recognized as a great talent.
Just BE A GREAT TALENT, and also be helpful and respectful to other players.
I feel it's a better reward/feeling than cash and trophies.

 

[jasonlaus]

Bravo for this post. Like you, more than anything, I'm a fan of great pool, no matter who is playing it. I root for the US at the Mosconi, but I'm happy to congratulate anybody who puts on a display of truly superior pool.

The quality we're seeing today in the pro game is something to behold, and nothing that could happen at the Mosconi would dull my excitement over the increasing excellence of the world's best cueists.

If i was as well spoken as you, I'd be retired by now.

 

[sjm]

According to Wikipedia, Europe's population is about 775 million. That includes part of Russia but even without that, they have a 2 to 1 advantage in population, I had no idea they had that many.

Yes, but some of our European posters have guessed that there are at least 10 people in America that play nine-ball for every person that plays it in Europe.

The solution for bridging the gap lies in training and hard work, not in making excuses.