Yes. And12 foot will eliminate the slam dunks...no room for artistic showboating. Same reason to ban jump cues, isn't it?
4-1/8” Corners at the Derby?
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I think this is the same problem you see in pool. People think half-measures are going to work. Much better is: you have to shoot from the 3-point line and those only count 2 points. If you want 3 it has to be from behind half-court. Also, a missed free throw is a deduction of one point. I can't take credit for this last rule as it was carefully developed by Kim Jong Il. Alternatively, all players must be under 5'8", but that's not inclusive. Just because someone is tall doesn't mean they're evil, although the two are correlated.
As for the OP, have we figured out yet that the pockets are mostly 4 1/4 or what?
The standard for years and years at DCC was where two balls in the corner pocket could go in to where both balls were on the flat of the pocket facing, but they wouldn't go in far enough together to start over the brink.
I didn’t play in the bank tournament but there was a lot of balls that were jarred in corners. I played in the one pocket today and I’m used to t playing on Diamond pro cut pockets and you can tell the difference and they play tough but fair.
The smaller pockets may create a problem with matches taking longer especially with bangers like me.
The smaller pockets may create a problem with matches taking longer especially with bangers like me.
There used to be lots of players that shot straight enough for mini pockets. Stands to reason the strata is still infused within the field... managing their action base...
Yes, exactly. And also, Greg Sullivan started the Derby not too much earlier than the year 2000 as far as I remember (which my table is….a 2000 model). These are definitely not the Brunswick Gold Crown 1, 2, or 3’s we all grew up on and loved. Those slightly miss hit balls would tend to go in on a Brunswick, but they'd tend to hang up on the Diamonds because of the deeper cut back of the pockets.
That being said, I love(d) Brunswick 9 footers as much as the next guy, but Diamond tables are the shit in my opinion.
that is exactly what it is like around here. there are guys who sign up for banks and 1 pocket that can`t play at all.
tomatoshooter
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I'd prefer the pocket spit the balls out.
I kind of like playing on equipment that isn't super pristine. I'd rather center my game so neither new cloth or old cloth is too far away from what I'm used to. It's nice when you get on a fresh table and a ball you think you hit poorly goes, and you can move the cue ball around with a little less stroke.
In the real world where mortals such as myself play, less than pristine conditions are generally the only thing on offer, so might as well enjoy it.
tomatoshooter
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Good point. The closest I usually get to pristine is the week after a big tournament, when they just recovered the tables. They get recovered twice a year or so, so I might as well enjoy 4 month old cloth, which plays plenty well in my book.
Ghost of OBC
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Or the NBA raising the hoop so no one under 7 feet can dunk.
The dumbest thing is that the obvious lesson of DCC is that the characters are the popular product in pool. Silly tight pockets are great if you want a game dominated by a handful of super competitors and autists, but if you're wondering where the cowboys have gone, maybe consider loosening things up so you don't need x-ray vision and beta blockers to put six balls together. You might get someone interesting in the mix. It might even be entertaining.
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In this analogy, the equivalent of a jump cue would be a portable elevator a player hops on in order to reach the hoop at no waste of energy. "A taxi driver who brought you to the venue would do that!" © Earl The Pearl
That analogy is farther away then mine was. A jump cue still requires skill. You still have to make the ball (which is about 50 %...maybe 70% for the best pros). And you still have to get position for the next shot, or get safe (far less then 50% for the vast majority.. even the pros). You can't see it because you are blinded the your dislike of jump cues. If you were not biased against them, you wouldn't have posted the above ^.Nope
If the jump cue is as easy as a "portable elevator", post a video of yourself using one and let's see how close you are to that 50% level. And not with just pocket hangers either.
You don't need to pocket a ball to have a legal hit when hooked. Just because it's not as easy to make a ball and play position off a jump shot does not make the jump cue any more of a gaffe stick. It's still easily much easier to jump over a ball with a jump cue and pocket it than with a normal playing cue and much much easier to just get a legal hit using one. Just because it takes skill to master something does not mean it's not easy to use. I can use a trampoline to dunk when I can't dunk at all, and players can just a jump cue to jump when they can't jump at all. I just can't do a 360 spin flip behind the back dunk, but I can still do something I can't naturally simply due to the equpment.
I still have not seen a pro, not in their teens or 20s, say they like the jump cue in the game. They all say they use it because others use it but the preference is that it would not be in the game at all, "it is what it is" instead of "wow they are such a great addition to the game how did we live without it". It's a gimmick cue for amateurs to play with. They are analogous to handicapped races, you can't beat someone playing even so you get some extra help, someone is bad at jumping with a regular cue or can't kick well, there is your handicapped cue. I'm honestly surprised that as many people on this forum of basically pool purists that like the jump cue. It's also funny that some of the people that like the jump cue view LD and CF shafts as "gimmicks", which is the very definition of irony.
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All I'm saying is the jump cue isn't the magic wand everyone makes it out to be. Many times that "good hit" is a sell out and a loss.
I've never seen a pro, on tape or otherwise say they don't like to use jump cues. If there is, point me to them.
As for jumping full cue, do you believe a person using a hard tip has an advantage over someone using a soft tip? The discussion will end up being we should ban hard tips... or jumping altogether.
The anti-jump cue crowd have jumped the shark if you ask me. I suppose you could force players to have longer jump cues, but what's the point if they're still going to be jumping anyway eventually?
Jumping the ball in today's game is more important than ever, as the top safety and kicking games continue to move towards perfection. Knowing the incoming player can jump the ball, demands safety play be more precise. That's not a bad thing, even with dreaded jump cue.
I'm fine with jump cues, but having just watched the DCC bigfoot it was fun having no jump cues allowed. There were quite a few safety/kicking battles that were fun to watch. And Shane pulled off two great full-cue jumps to get out of being buried that were really that much more impressive given the novelty, difficulty, and circumstances. I have to say the tournament was much more enjoyable to watch because of the jump cue rules.
So, I'm still not anti-jump cue...but I understand.
I agree. I don't think there has to be jump cues allowed at every event either. I dont mind watching or playing in tournaments where they are not allowed. I just don't like hearing they should be banned from all events.