Live (Barely) from the Derby

Bob Jewett

AZB Osmium Member
Staff member
Gold Member
Silver Member
I couldn't get 5k to watch me and I also don't think that rings the YouTube cash machine.
You have to get to some number of subscribers or viewers before you get monetized. The return per view depends on the length of views and the location of the viewers, I think, and I've heard of payments of as high as $7 per thousand. Doesn't quite pay for dinner at GR's, but it's worth setting up the camera. He seems to be getting about 10-15k views per video.
 

Badpenguin

Well-known member
I'm actually pleasantly surprised this is even being allowed. Can't imagine it would be if it was Joe Schmo amateur doing it. Actually, I'd bet he won't be able to continue doing this at large events with other streamers present. If I'm not mistaken Railbirds wasn't allowed to stream their matches live from the Derby the past couple years. They could only record them and release them later. I do think this will come to a head at some point, until then -- I'll watch.
It probably helps that Fedor's sponsors are Diamond and Cuetech.
 

u12armresl

One Pocket back cutter
Silver Member
Atlantic City

One of the greatest losses for pool was failure to establish 4 to 5 DCC type events around the country. Tunica MS was a misstep. These events will always fill if in a remotely appealing venue.

If they including a bonus for highest placing amateur(s) they could escalate entry fees and get things as they should be.
IMHO that many wouldn't succeed. There was only 1 Johnson City and it was in one place.
Once the hard to get into restaurant expands from 20 tables to 50, people move on, backers move on, $$$ dries up.
 

u12armresl

One Pocket back cutter
Silver Member
I saw some of his banks match vs shane when he was doing it live..half hour after it was done he had 5K views (!)
don't know how much money there is in the vids themselves, but fedor seems to be thinking clear- on and off the table..
Money doesn't come anywhere near 5k views.
 

SBC

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I
Atlantic City

One of the greatest losses for pool was failure to establish 4 to 5 DCC type events around the country. Tunica MS was a misstep. These events will always fill if in a remotely appealing venue.

IMHO that many wouldn't succeed. There was only 1 Johnson City and it was in one place.
Once the hard to get into restaurant expands from 20 tables to 50, people move on, backers move on, $$$ dries up.
If they had a dcc in the Tristate area...be filled every year. Same with Florida and Vegas.

It's just whether it's profitable enough.
 

jsp

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Any Efren udpates in one pocket? From the completed matches page he had no loses in round 4 but his name isn't listed at all in round 5, and some matches in round 6 are already being posted. Did he bail after round 4?

Nice to see Anton Raga's name in the mix. Is this the first time he's been in the states?
 

8cree

Reverse Engineer
Silver Member
Any Efren udpates in one pocket? From the completed matches page he had no loses in round 4 but his name isn't listed at all in round 5, and some matches in round 6 are already being posted. Did he bail after round 4?

Nice to see Anton Raga's name in the mix. Is this the first time he's been in the states?
He just won on the TV table, came from behind and ran out the last game. Came from behind on the TV table yesterday too. The ole man still has some in the tank...
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
An unsung benefit of Fedor streaming is all the people that get the opportunity to see their game preserved online. Fedor has played three people that he put a ? as the image for the YouTube thumbnail since he didn’t have a “glamor shot” of the person. These are the people that have shown up to the tournament to fulfill a dream of playing in the holiest of holies. Hell, $160 to play the number 1 is going to last a lot longer in the heart than the $160 Gordon Ramsey steak right out side of the tournament.

A downside with the stream is obviously the toxic chat that is going to expect that everyone Fedor is playing is a World Top 10. For one person, I saw the opponent’s post on how aggravating and demoralizing the chat was but they took it in stride and was proud to be there. Not going to link it since there’s no reason to give opportunity for the toxicity to fester.

Should everyone be able to stream? Absolutely. Improve your game by watching your replays. Improve the game by letting the world learn from you. The way to allow for this is literally just an extra foot around the table and a power outlet at each table. Typical convention booth expectations but that may be too much to ask for here.

That being on a stream stuff is a double-edged sword for sure.

Play good or OK and you're a hero. Play like a dog and it's out there in perpetuity. The chat and comments can be "unforgiving" to say the least.

Lou Figueroa
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I really envy all of you that are there. All in all, sounds like a fantastic time, and thanks for posting your experiences, I enjoy reading about them.

OK, so here's another from 2009.

(insert flashback music)
#####

And so, I sent in my monies for the 1pocket, dropped off the wife at the airport at 6am on Sunday, so she could go see some friends and teach a class in Florida, and went on my merry, 250 mile way to the tune of the original Broadway recording of "Jersey Boys." (Not sure if "Big Girls Don't Cry," or "Walk Like a Man," is the appropriate musical background for this trip.) As an additional side note, given that my wife chose sunshine and 80 degree weather, and I chose the developing Ice Age in KY, there should never be a future discussion as to who, between us, is the smarter of the two.

I have to say that, overall, the tournament area is a big upgrade from the EW. Much swanker, as these things go -- with one problem: the tables in the main tournament room are right on top of each other. I mean -- it is *tight* quarters. The other various rooms, nooks and crannies on the second floor with additional tables, were about on about a par with the EW upstairs rooms, except that, other than the larger room over the tournament area entry, there was very little spectator space. If you were playing in the smaller rooms, or the 14.1 challenge room, or AZ room, you were playing to crickets and the endless string of Doorway Head Poppers, who would lean in for a second and then move on to greener pastures. The other thing about the upstairs rooms were the itty bitty lights. I mean: It Sucked to be playing under these undersized table lights (bar table size) on a 9' table.

That night Efren played SVB in the TAR Pit. There was so little spectator room it looked like VJ Day on Times Square, with people spilling out of the room, hanging off the light posts to get a view. (OK, OK, they didn't have any light posts, but there were people sitting on the portable bar station.)

I got lucky and that afternoon was called to play in the first flight of the first round and played Tom Teschner in an upstairs room. Tom shot straight and had me by the Brazilians but let me up. Lou wins 3-0. Time for multiple Coronas.

Around 1am, it was off to bed for moi.

And now a word about the rooms at the Horseshoe. They're OK. Nicely decorated, but a little worn, with linens that have been washed one time too many and are too small for the beds. The towels smell like kerosene. I asked for a "Non-smoking" room, and I have no doubt that the only time no one had smoked in that room, was while I was in it. It stunk of cigarette smoke. And, pray you have quiet neighbors because the walls are like tissue paper. Normally, I stay at nice paces and hotel noise is not an issue. But here, the walls must be made of tissue paper. Two Asian ladies on one side who decide to recite the phone book in Chinese; a couple on the other, who at 2am decide it was "the right time of the night."

"Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh." And so it went for a while.

The next day constituted one massive wait. I'm not sure, but I think this was the day that the computers for the draw melted, code was being written "as we speak," and they might have even called Bill Gates. At one point, it became a running joke among the players whenever the desk would announce a time for the draw.

My second round draw was against former road agent, Chris Szuter. He played great. I never got an ounce of air. Every thing rolled his way. Lou loses 3-0.

I decide to exercise my buy back option and drown my sorrow in Mexican beer and try the buffet. I suppose it wasn't too bad. Perhaps on par with what you'd expect at a shopping mall. But definitely not casino quality food.

JoeyA, sjm, and I sweated Souqet and Bustamonte playing 10-ball in front of us; Dan Louie playing Ike Runnels 1pocket to one side of us; and Gabe Owens giving Ronnie Wiseman 9-7 behind us. I would shortly need a chiropractor. At some point, for reasons completely unknown to me, Jose Parica hung out with us for like two hours, telling us war stories about his game, his history, the Philippines, Cialis (not kidding), how to tell who the best player in a sessions is and it was really pretty cool.

Some 24 hours later, I play my third round match. I'll leave this guy's name out. I didn't know him, but he played well, but really, really goofed by not moving the balls up table when he had me absolutely dead to rights. And so, Lou, who can run a couple of balls on a good day, especially if they're all down table, gets back into games he should not be in and wins 3-0. The guy is really down on himself and here's the thing: I have been there. We all have been there. And all he said, when I asked him if he was still in the tournament was, "Yeah. But all I want to do is get out of here and go home." I felt bad for him and like I said, we've all been there.

I check with the tournament desk around 2am and ask, "Who do I play tomorrow for round four?" and they say, "11am. Martin Rimlinger." And I say to meself, "Cool." Martin can play, but I have a shot. I won't check out of my room" (which was my plan, should I draw a world beater).

Tuesday morning, 11am, they call the fourth round and say, "Table #34, upstairs, Lou Figueroa and Ronnie Wiseman."

Now, what's with THAT?!

And frankly, this is what I don't like about this "black box" super-duper, algorithm based, totally random, computer generated, who knows what's inside, expensive, software assisted draw. Now, there is probably a very valid reason for why I went from a Martin Rimlinger to a Ronnie Wiseman in the space of 12 hours. But, I think it's bullsheeat, nonetheless. As a side note, it is my opinion (as well as that of numerous other players I spoke to), that this was the worst run DCC, draw-wise and waiting-wise, in recent memory. The cracks ran like, "Yeah, this is the first pool tournament ever run in the history of man." Or, "They've only had a year, since the last draw, to work things out. It's like they're still inventing the wheel."

Soo, I'm waiting around and no Wiseman. They start putting people on the clock, so I call the desk and say, "I got no Wiseman on 34." They say, "He just walked by the desk, he should be there any minute." Twenty minutes later, I got no Wiseman. So I call the desk again. They say give him another five minutes -- if he doesn't show, come down to the desk. Five minutes later, I got no Wiseman. Lou wins. It's too early for a Corona, so I go sweat some 14.1 challenge.

By now of course the ice storm outside is really getting going. During the walk to the hotel, through the windows you could see the snow and ice piling up. 75,000 people without power; trees and power lines down everywhere in the area; cell phone service spotty. By Wednesday, I believe several hundred Horseshoe employees couldn't get into work and, I am told, they started running out of Bud Light. By Wednesday night they only had the buffet open and reduced the price to $10 from their normal $16 because they had limited food available. But I must say that the Horseshoe employees that did show up (or stayed overnight in the hotel) were uniformedly bright, chipper, friendly and happy to do anything they could. It was really an impressive display of hospitality.

So now I'm there for round five. This is a money round, so I'm feeling pretty good until the draw and find out I have to play Glen Rodgers, otherwise known as Piggy Banks. Glen's a great guy and player. But actually, I beat him the one time we played before a few years ago up in a 1pocket tournament in Chicago. So I'm feeling like, maybe I can pull this off. We play in the main tournament room, fifty-yard line, and there are many Piggy supporters in the stands. Maybe two or three Lou supporters. But, Lou banks good and get off to a 2-0 lead. Piggy scratches and claws his way back to 2-2. And then, Lou breaks for the final game and eventually pulls off the win. Time for a Corona. (Actually, more than one.) I spring for the steak house again and thought the lobster bisque was OK but heavy on the sherry. And the Atlantic salmon was really pretty good. I get to bed for the first time all week before 3am. I am beat to death.

Wednesday evening, after more computer woes and delays and the arrival of a bazillion 9ball players, my draw for round six is Francisco Bustamonte. We lag and I win the lag and I break and look around the room and it's like Scott Frost on the left table, Jose Parica straight ahead on another, Shannon Daulton the table to the right, Efren just over there on the next row, and, well, me. And I fought really hard and played well, (except for one really goofed back cut to my pocket) and we played for almost two hours and I lose 3-0, but I feel pretty good about the way I played. Lou is out of the tournament and collects $275 for his finish, which I think might cover my beer tab at $4.50 a Corona.

Amongst all the regular suspects the last few days I saw Jack Cooney walking around. Ronnie Allen holding court every day at the same table, drink in hand, in front of the tournament room. George C. Scott's brother was there with an amazing looking blonde -- your legs and my legs put together would not be as long as her legs. (I would not bet on combined chest measurements either.) There was also a fellow that, I swear, looked exactly like the guy from Goodfellas, Paul Sorvino, walking around, cue case on shoulder.

I am beat, but had fun.

Maybe, in a year, I'll want to do this to myself again.
#####

Lou Figueroa
 
Last edited:

BasementDweller

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
What an awesome memory to have. Standing in the arena with all those greats surrounding you!

What a great writeup.

I've read it before and I'll probably read it again...some day and somewhere, if not here...maybe you'll beat Bustamante next time I read it ;) He really may be the best ever at the game. I know I'm not supposed to say that. He knows all the shots and has always been a bit more patient than Efren and Pagulayan.
 

evergruven

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I couldn't get 5k to watch me and I also don't think that rings the YouTube cash machine.

put some clutch on in the back and I'll watch you bang around ^_^

Money doesn't come anywhere near 5k views.

according to what I read, his channel is eligible for monetization and he'll likely bring in some change that way, but..

even if he won't make streaming revenue he is building his brand using social media. yapp, biado, ko brothers are others that have understood this. good for them, good for their sponsors and good for attracting future sponsors. another thing about the all of the above mentioned players is that they present themselves well. true professionals.

ding ding ding..well said. if you want to be a pro, act like one. props to fedor et al. for being the change they want to see.
 

Smutzc

Well-known member
I’ll say what I want until I’m done talking.

You never ever will have the ability to shut me down. Ever.

Have a great day 😘🥰

This is the last thing I will say here. Give yourself zero credit.

Because I’m a class act,

See you next time I see you. 🙏🏼

Fatboy #1 for a reason
#TeamFatboy
#figueroa no class…. Has to tell everyone how great he is.

Fat boy from your posts, I can tell you are a class act, you don’t have to tell everyone how great you are, unlike others 😂
 

justnum

Billiards Improvement Research Projects Associate
Silver Member
To enhance the derby I can come in as a vendor and for a small fee provide you with unlimited cooked rice the entire event.

How many are ready to sign up and be fed like an Asian athlete the entire DCC?
(not recommended for anyone with family history of diabetes)
 

AtLarge

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Silver Member
He just won on the TV table, came from behind and ran out the last game. Came from behind on the TV table yesterday too. The ole man still has some in the tank...
Efren's match with Labutis had a rather odd ending. Efren broke at hill/hill. The first effect on the score was an intentional foul by Efren, taking the score to (-1) to 0. The next thing affecting the score was Efren running balls. He ran 8, taking the score to 7-0. He still needed one and had no easy scoring shot, with 6 of the remaining 7 balls still in the rack area and one uptable. The game was declared over at that point, with Efren winning the game and match. I'm not sure who is responsible for the mistake. The referee (Shuman) was right at hand, agreeing that the game was over.
 

AtLarge

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Silver Member
And another oddity occurred in Game 4 of the Reyes/Labutis match. At a score of 1-(-2), Efren took an intentional foul to take the score to 0-(-2). An adjustment was then made to the score, increasing each player by one point to 1-(-1). This appeared to be in the nature of the adjustment that is supposed to be made when both players reach a negative score. But 0-(-2) would not qualify for that adjustment. And the scoring of the game prior to that point appeared to me to be correct. The game ended with Efren winning 8-1, so, if what I saw as an adjustment was a mistake, it's likely that it did not affect the outcome of that game.
 
Last edited:

jay helfert

Shoot Pool, not people
Gold Member
Silver Member
You want old style gambling come to the Philippines. I love the backroom feel to the many challenge matches going on there. Bet what you want when you want, by the game or the match. Bets are shouted out across the room and money is literally thrown in a bundle to the winners after each game. The action scene is better here than I’ve ever seen it, and that’s why so many top players are heading this way. It’s the center of the Pool universe!

Plus all kinds of food options only steps away. A big and hearty meal for two around 1,000-1,500P ($20-25). Good accommodations are inexpensive too. And the girls!! Come get some!


At any venue involving a gaming commission a very tight lid will kept on gambling. Someone tell me how much "action" is going on now. How many stacks are on the lights every night? Any crap games in hallways or the back of action room? 3-Card Monte games? Are the Chicago Boys, with all of their bundles of hundreds, there? Part of the beauty of EW, and what was sought to be brought forward from Johnson City, was full tilt. out of control, boiler bursting, downhill train wreck, GAMBLING -- something that organized gaming cannot and will not tolerate. DCC at EW after midnight was always rocking, it was life on the edge, maybe not quite Johnson City, but closer than what DCC is now. It is like comparing the Macy Parade to Mardi Gras.
 
Last edited:
Top