Why not Pinegar?

Seems to me, we're probably outgunned at the Cup again this year. So, instead of grasping at straws to field "our best bet," wouldn't we be better off considering this a building year, as a less than dominant football or baseball team would with their prior season draft picks and rookies? Give 'em some important playing time? I like the idea of giving two younger players some MC experience, plus Shane and Skyler and maybe rolling the dice on one outlier, whether Pinegar, Chohan, Henn? SVB is getting older. Will there ever be a better time than now to try building for the future? We'd still put up a fight, there might be some surprises, MC fans would still get a great show and the US might look stronger in 2024.
 
SBC said:
Listen
Nobody plays
Mostly cuz they all play for peanuts

I'm asking where you'd put Earl...say vs Pinegar?
I'd buy that stream.
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Those that claim only peanuts are to be had, are trying to sell you something. Do you need to be active and routinely above the top 16..?.., yep, but between winnings and sponsorship more and more players are making a living.

IMO, Earl is a dog against Pinegar. Earl is a dog against the top 10 in the States. The man has been riding his name recognition for some time.
 
SBC said:
Doesn't travel. Not in the MR rankings.
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Doesn't travel abroad...

I'm sure I'll catch wind of him in Vegas this week.

He could build points substantially within the continental US. He either chooses not to bother or hasn't finished strongly enough.
 
VTEC John said:
MC fans would still get a great show and the US might look stronger in 2024.
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Stronger...maybe, but not strong enough.

My guess is that the European teams will come out on top for at least the next 10 years, if not longer. They simply have too many very young world-class players.
 
The_JV said:
Those that claim only peanuts are to be had, are trying to sell you something. Do you need to be active and routinely above the top 16..?.., yep, but between winnings and sponsorship more and more players are making a living.

IMO, Earl is a dog against Pinegar. Earl is a dog against the top 10 in the States. The man has been riding his name recognition for some time.
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I've seen Henny at SBE in action. He played Jesus Atencion barbox 9 ball til 6am in a race to 25 or 21. Was just amazing from both of them. Jesus just beat him, but the whole room kinda felt like there was no loser. Supreme cueball control and shot making. Tons of intensity.

This last SBE Henny was to play Kiamco, but Kiamco's backer backed out. Henny was very motivated....practicing and shooting shots like Earl. The guy thrives on pressure and wants the challenge. Which is something inherent and not just learned. I think he'd be great at Mosconi.

Earl isn't a dog on all the top 10 PLAYING PROS. Because sadly our talent drops off real fast after midway on the list of 10. He's still in the 5th to 8th level imo.

We like to think that the more money there is in pool globally, the more players the US will generate. I see truth in that except for 2 thoughts.
- The more money in pool, the more outside foreign competition. Moreover now because Matchroom bought 9 ball pool for peanuts.
- No matter how much pool pays out worldwide we have no organization in USA pool to generate the players. No league pushing big table pool where guys learn like they do in other countries. Culturally pool is over here...a fringe sport at best. When I tell people I play pool for money....it's like they are looking at a dinosaur. There's no action in most areas of the US and less reasons for anyone to push to play elite level pool here.
 
We're buddies with Hennessee, and he's a strong competitor in any event he steps foot in. Always has been.

The Mosconi Cup teams must bond together as a team to be successful, I think. I remember one Mosconi Cup in Vegas when Team Europe ate together practiced together, slept together, and did not party while the eveny was in progress. Meanwhile, Team USA members acted as if they were on vacation. Players went their own way, enjoying the sights, partying in suites with Vegas locals, for lack of a better term, and did not seem to have much of a team spirit. Needless to say, Team Europe won that year.

USA does not have an abundance fo pro-caliber players as Europe does, and this is a problem. Thanks to Window's Open, though, I am noticing the younger pool players in USA seem to be making a statement, as they did in Quincy this past week. This is good for American professional pool as a whole.

But right now, I can count on one hand, maybe two, how many professional-caliber players exist in USA.

Also, just as an aside, I don't know if Jeremy Jones will be the captain of Team USA this year at the Mosconi Cup, but I think he should play. His knowledge of the game is strong, and he can out-shoot a lot of the younger players from around the world because of it. He's still got game, and we need him.
 
SBC said:
I've seen Henny at SBE in action. He played Jesus Atencion barbox 9 ball til 6am in a race to 25 or 21. Was just amazing from both of them. Jesus just beat him, but the whole room kinda felt like there was no loser. Supreme cueball control and shot making. Tons of intensity.

This last SBE Henny was to play Kiamco, but Kiamco's backer backed out. Henny was very motivated....practicing and shooting shots like Earl. The guy thrives on pressure and wants the challenge. Which is something inherent and not just learned. I think he'd be great at Mosconi.

Earl isn't a dog on all the top 10 PLAYING PROS. Because sadly our talent drops off real fast after midway on the list of 10. He's still in the 5th to 8th level imo.

We like to think that the more money there is in pool globally, the more players the US will generate. I see truth in that except for 2 thoughts.
- The more money in pool, the more outside foreign competition. Moreover now because Matchroom bought 9 ball pool for peanuts.
- No matter how much pool pays out worldwide we have no organization in USA pool to generate the players. No league pushing big table pool where guys learn like they do in other countries. Culturally pool is over here...a fringe sport at best. When I tell people I play pool for money....it's like they are looking at a dinosaur. There's no action in most areas of the US and less reasons for anyone to push to play elite level pool here.
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I told you that Bob Jewett was coming through your town...I was hoping you'd stick a smelly booger on him. He can't beat you, B.
 
ribdoner said:
Wrong, easy to get along unless your an opponent.

Like i said in an earlier post he hates to lose, however, if we come up short and he's on the team he won't be an issue
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This thread would not have gone seven (currently) pages if the USA weren't short.

We are talking about one player vs another for a wildcard bid. There is no consensus on either.
 
FeelDaShot said:
All of these guys are super competitive and hate to lose. Otherwise, they would have never had the drive to become pro. To say that Pinegar hates to lose more than the other guys is nonsense. He just can't control his emotions and acts like a complete a-hole when things don't go his way. Nothing you can say will ever justify that POS's behavior over the past 20+ years.

In tennis, John McEnroe was known for losing his cool and throwing his racket around while yelling and screaming. I'm sure he didn't hate losing more than the other players, he was just another hot head a-hole like Hennessey.
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Are you suggesting he should retire to the commentary booth
 
jokrswylde said:
My point being, do you like someone like Hennessee's chances at aWhite Diamonds, buffalo billiards, or a Big Tyme Road Show tourney where the Calcuttas can hit six figures and they are all within driving distance. vs. MC points qualifier such as Turning Stone or Derby City?

Someone at Hennessee's level might choose to stay local, play the smaller tourney, and increase their odds of a big payday. That's all I'm saying.
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Interesting you mentioned White Diamonds and buffalo but not the Scotty Townsend Memorial, which Henny won this year.
 
sjm said:
Perhaps you are right. Have you ever seen him play on a shot clock. If I have, I don't remember it.

That said, however, we all think of BCA Hall of Famer Ralf Souquet as a glacially slow player, and yet he plays great pool even when the shot clock is on.
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Was watching a Derby City one pocket on YouTube with Pinegar. Shot clock but 60 seconds for one pocket. I kind of thought it helped him because it cut out some of what I call his OCD chalking. A couple of times I noticed he started doing it but had to do an abbreviated version. I could be wrong. Rotation and a shorter shot clock I dunno
 
sjm said:
Perhaps you are right. Have you ever seen him play on a shot clock. If I have, I don't remember it.

That said, however, we all think of BCA Hall of Famer Ralf Souquet as a glacially slow player, and yet he plays great pool even when the shot clock is on.
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Yes he shut Shaw out at derby. Sgaw never pockets a ball
 
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