How many players have been trying to get position on the 2nd ball wrongly.

[mr3cushion]

Many of my examples playing 'Pocket' billiards have elements of Carom/3cushion Billiards nuances.

This example of playing position for the second ball playing 1 pocket is one of them.

Very rarely have I seen players of many levels play this shot correctly. They tend to apply the incorrect English, (LHDE).

Using LHDE the OB needs to be contacted a little fuller and the CB tends to spin too far, letting it get away.

By applying (RHDE) you can aim for a little less ball and the CB will, 'curve' off the OB and then kill off the short rail for perfect position for the second ball.

A little Hint: Using a, 'Nip/'Fist' bridge helps plenty on these little nip draw shots.

Try it the next time you're on a table.

Here's what it looks like.

 

[bbb]

you are giving out alot of pearls lately bill.....
thanks

 

[mr3cushion]

you are giving out alot of pearls lately bill.....
thanks

Getting weak in my 'Old' age Larry.

 

[TheBasics]

Bill, Howdy;

Thanks for putting up the information. Gonna be useful ... one of these days.

hank

 

[mr3cushion]

Bill, Howdy;

Thanks for putting up the information. Gonna be useful ... one of these days.

hank

Hi Hank, I feel it will be.

 

[skip100]

Cool shot!

 

[WobblyStroke]

Well, I was doing it wrong. Won't be next time. thanks for sharing.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

By applying (RHDE) you can aim for a little less ball and the CB will, 'curve' off the OB and then kill off the short rail for perfect position for the second ball.

A little Hint: Using a, 'Nip/'Fist' bridge helps plenty on these little nip draw shots.

What about no side (center draw)?

pj
chgo

 

[sjm]

Nice thread. Check side is, indeed, the English recommended in the original post and should, in my view, be best in this situation.

 

[mr3cushion]

What about no side (center draw)?

pj
chgo

I feel I explained in detail the logic behind the, RHDE.

If You're not comfortable playing with English, especially, 'Inside.' Practice makes perfect.

 

[MitchAlsup]

Please don't give people motion sickness with the camera hand held.

And when you take video on a cell phone the phone needs to be long in the horizontal direction.

 

[mr3cushion]

Please don't give people motion sickness with the camera hand held.

And when you take video on a cell phone the phone needs to be long in the horizontal direction.

I'll take that up at the next board meeting. LOL!

 

[jsp]

Cool thread.

Very rarely have I seen players of many levels play this shot correctly. They tend to apply the incorrect English, (LHDE).

Actually, I think many advanced/experienced players would play the shot precisely how you described. However, I feel most of them would not be able to completely articulate or possibly not even understand the mechanics as to why one should shoot it with inside draw. Rather, many of them would just 'know' how to shoot it that way through their own intuition...intuition that has been developed through many years of experience banging balls around and observing how they react.

Using LHDE the OB needs to be contacted a little fuller and the CB tends to spin too far, letting it get away.

By applying (RHDE) you can aim for a little less ball and the CB will, 'curve' off the OB and then kill off the short rail for perfect position for the second ball.

The inside spin does two things. First it slows down the tangential component of the CB velocity, allowing it to 'curve' (as you said) more off the OB with the draw spin such that it hits the short rail at a shallower angle. Secondly, the inside spin (which is reverse spin) allows the CB to skid off the rail, effectively reducing how much the CB bounces off the short rail while also keeping the rebound angle shallow. I actually don't think there is too much 'killing' off the rail (nor would it be desired) because check spin that grabs on the rail would cause the rebound angle to become steeper, which isn't what you want for that particular shot.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

What about no side (center draw)?

I feel I explained in detail the logic behind the, RHDE.

And LHDE. That's the two extremes - I'm wondering if the middle ground might be useful too. I'd expect it to be the easiest of the three to go as planned.

pj
chgo

 

[book collector]

Difficult shot , well played. Thanks.

 

[mr3cushion]

And LHDE. That's the two extremes - I'm wondering if the middle ground might be useful too. I'd expect it to be the easiest of the three to go as planned.

pj
chgo

When a player can't escape the 'Vertical axis' of the CB, it Greatly limits that player's ability to reach their Zenith!

 

[nataddrho]

Many of my examples playing 'Pocket' billiards have elements of Carom/3cushion Billiards nuances.

This example of playing position for the second ball playing 1 pocket is one of them.

Very rarely have I seen players of many levels play this shot correctly. They tend to apply the incorrect English, (LHDE).

Using LHDE the OB needs to be contacted a little fuller and the CB tends to spin too far, letting it get away.

By applying (RHDE) you can aim for a little less ball and the CB will, 'curve' off the OB and then kill off the short rail for perfect position for the second ball.

A little Hint: Using a, 'Nip/'Fist' bridge helps plenty on these little nip draw shots.

Try it the next time you're on a table.

Here's what it looks like.

I never thought about this. I will remember this now!!