One Pocket issue that’s really bothering me

[bbb]

Set it up and try it. You'd be surprised how easy it is. You have to hit it really, really bad to give anything up. If you hit it decent / normal, your opponent has to work a little to get out of it (there's nothing there offensively for him). About 25% of the time, the two balls line up and you stick the cue on the rail, now your opponent is in a jam.

Let me know if you ever win money on that shot...I'll send you my PayPal address

i tried it several times
only once did i get a good result
if i hit the front ball too thick it came across the table
too thin the ball didnt move too much
how do you aim it and with what spin?

 

[Nick B]

Tony Chohan quite often will cross bank the back ball to his hole. It's actually quite safe once you understand how much side spin is required to avoid both middle and back corner pocket. Almost never leaves a return bank unless really shot poorly.

 

[fjk]

Tony Chohan quite often will cross bank the back ball to his hole. It's actually quite safe once you understand how much side spin is required to avoid both middle and back corner pocket. Almost never leaves a return bank unless really shot poorly.

To my experience, loading up the cue from that far away and then heading the cue towards a corner sometimes has a bad result. I used to shoot it everytime when I was younger. Definitely a good offensive shot if you have the confidence and skill to shoot it.

 

[fjk]

i tried it several times
only once did i get a good result
if i hit the front ball too thick it came across the table
too thin the ball didnt move too much
how do you aim it and with what spin?

I don't use any spin. I position the cueball more towards the middle than the rail (maybe half way between). The angle allows for a more natural flow towards that middle back rail. It normally ends up about 10 nches from the center / nameplate.

If you have to error, error on the side of hitting too thin. Even too thin, they push over to your side a little and leave him a long defensive shot from his side of the back rail. With two balls to worry about down there, it's often tricky to get out of.

When trying to dial it in, keep trying to manipulate the angle util you find that sweet spot.

 

[Nick B]

To my experience, loading up the cue from that far away and then heading the cue towards a corner sometimes has a bad result. I used to shoot it everytime when I was younger. Definitely a good offensive shot if you have the confidence and skill to shoot it.

Its effective when balls are in your way and should be done when the situation is right. Generally done on more worn cloth. Easier also on a Diamond or other tables that bank shorter.

 

[jtompilot]

I've never liked that shot. Not aggressive at all. Kind of a boring non-shot.

I much prefer the soft split-hit pushing both balls over by my pocket and putting the cue on the nameplate. Difficult to screw up and puts some pressure on your opponent.

I’ve never tried that one

 

[jtompilot]

Is that not what I displayed?
What's your return to my 2 pics?

Two rail the lower ball to my side and get the CB to the bottom rail as close to the corner as you can. The frozen CB one is more difficult.

All I’m saying is there no correct answer. I’ll even play the okey-dokie shot when I need one ball on days when I feel like I’m striking the ball well.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I recall Artie B had a very thorough write-up on one pocket.org about 20 years ago on the various "best" options, how to leave the CB (exactly how to leave it!), etc. He'd probably know as well as anyone. I don't remember the lesson

 

[Renegade_56]

I recall Artie B had a very thorough write-up on one pocket.org about 20 years ago on the various "best" options, how to leave the CB (exactly how to leave it!), etc. He'd probably know as well as anyone. I don't remember the lesson

I bet it's on one of those vhs tapes he used to sell, hell I may have it.

 

[7stud]

This has Dr. Dave’s name written all over it. Where is he and how much does he charge to solve all this?

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[fjk]

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Thanks! I wish there was a whole series with ball in hand behind the line though.

I did see the part where he made both balls but I'm going to have to say it's a lot easier where he was shooting from vs behind the line. When you're behind the line, you need to hit the shot a lot harder to maintain all that backspin the extra distance. When you hit it harder, you don't get as much throw on the back ball.

 

[Black-Balled]

Two rail the lower ball to my side and get the CB to the bottom rail as close to the corner as you can. The frozen CB one is more difficult.

All I’m saying is there no correct answer. I’ll even play the okey-dokie shot when I need one ball on days when I feel like I’m striking the ball well.

I wonder if the frozen one reply can be two rail the higher ball and carom into the one railer on the lower ball.

Looks like CB might not go uptable, who knows?

I prob shoulda shot replies too.

 

[jtompilot]

I wonder if the frozen one reply can be two rail the higher ball and carom into the one railer on the lower ball.

Looks like CB might not go uptable, who knows?

I prob shoulda shot replies too.

For me there's nothing worse than playing safe, when you have a reasonable shot, and your opponent turns it around and wins the game.

 

[BilliardsAbout]

Solution from Mars:

Jump the cue ball with precision so as it begins its descent, it cuts the rear ball in the corner. (Tom Cruise to play this one in "Color of Money Deux").

 

[fjk]

For me there's nothing worse than playing safe, when you have a reasonable shot, and your opponent turns it around and wins the game.

Agreed, in one pocket, try to be aggressive enough to keep pressure on your opponent (make his first priority be defense); over time, more good than bad will happen using that strategy. Like you said, give your opponent a free, no-pressure shot and he'll turn the table around on you.

 

[dr_dave]

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FYI, this video covers lots of additional creative options for attacking spotted frozen balls from different directions:

 

[Texas Carom Club]

id roll the cb up on the first ball and take a foul

 

[Black-Balled]

For me there's nothing worse than playing safe, when you have a reasonable shot, and your opponent turns it around and wins the game.

Two balls on the spot is a reasonable shot?!

I guess I wouldn't mind starting from that shot every game but is isnt a lock, imo.

 

[Black-Balled]

id roll the cb up on the first ball and take a foul

Punt on first down.

A bold strategy.

How about rolling up to the bottom ball off the end rail?

That'd mess with some minds if you did it with regularity.

 

[fjk]

FYI, this video covers lots of additional creative options for attacking spotted frozen balls from different directions:

Thanks! I was specifically interested in ball-in-hand behind the line shots that come up in one pocket after your opponent follows in the last ball you jawed deep in your pocket. Comes up all the time. Have you ever made both balls from behind the line? Is the shot possible using regular, clean and polished balls? I guess adding some friction between the two balls makes it possible, or maybe with old, dirty balls.

To me, because the exact shots comes up frequently, it seems there should be a consensus, go-to, best, highest probability move from that spot. After a few practice shots to see how the table and balls react, I can double bank the bottom ball about half the time. While that seems pretty good, that's only after I try it a few times first and adjust the speed for the table and balls. That percentage would be much lower without those practice shots. The main problem is I could give up something if not hit well. In other words, the shot has some risk (in my opinion).

Love your videos by the way!