My Fargorate progression

iusedtoberich said:
I hated the rule set. It was call every shot, call safe (playing 9 ball). You couldn't play a 2 way shot at all. I even called safe twice and inadvertently made a ball, and my opponent told me to shoot again. I don't get why everyone started calling shots. Luck makes pool fun.
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Call shot 9 ball? I don't get it either. What's also weird is most of the people trying to make the game harder aren't that good. It's not like they are running so many racks that the game has gotten boring. Maybe they realize they can't run racks so they want to slow others down.
 
tomatoshooter said:
Call shot 9 ball? I don't get it either. What's also weird is most of the people trying to make the game harder aren't that good. It's not like they are running so many racks that the game has gotten boring. Maybe they realize they can't run racks so they want to slow others down.
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Yeah I agree. I lived in Philly all my life, and moved to Atlanta in 2009. It was luck everything always. I come back to Philly 10 years later for family visits (and now much more often as my dad is older and needs some help), and every room tourney and gambler wants to call everything. All these guys are C and low B players at best. The A players from before (and Philly had a ton of them) are mostly gone, they mostly quit. I just don't get it. People think they lose games because the other guy got lucky. No, it's because at this level, both players miss 3 times per rack.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I was in Delaware tonight for a chip tournament. It is run by a guy that is super, super, pro fargo. He even started a whole league in the area based on fargo, rather than the typical APA/BCA stuff. The number of chips each player started with is determined by their fargo rate.

600+=4 chips
551-600=5
501-550=6
451-500=7
401-450=8
351-400=9
301-350=10
250-300=11

I got 7 chips. I think he had me as a 500 I'm guessing.

Unfortunately, the game results are not reported to fargo. I was dissapoined, as that was the main reason I went to play, and the place was a 1 hr 10 min drive from me. The tourney director told me there is no way to get the games into fargo from the chip format. I don't know if it was a digital pool issue (I believe that's the software he was using) or a fargorate issue. He would love to if possible. I don't know if Mike can look into that?

It was a packed house. 38 players showed up. 6 Diamond Blue label Bar Box pin ball machines. God I can't get over how many people like the pin ball rails. Its nuts. I digress. I again felt I was the best player in the room, and would have gambled with anyone there that I watched or played. I played some super nice racks and felt I had the best cue ball in the room. Alas, I played all night, and when my last chip was gone there were still 17 player left past midnight! It really is true, to win a tournament you have to play super good "every match", and get lucky a few times.

After I lost I asked the houseman if he knew of anyone that gambled. He said some guys did, but he needed all 6 tables for the tournament so couldn't give any.

The tournament was super well run. Maybe one of the best I've seen to keep it moving. The winner of the game stayed at the same table for the next opponent, and racked the balls in preparation. No practicing in-between. The loser went to the desk and gave the results. The next match on that same table was immediately called. If the player didn't show up within 2 minutes, they lost their chip. The player being called would be the breaker. The whole night flew buy, I never once saw an empty table. It eliminated half the players wandering around for their table, the flip/lag, time to rack, etc.

I don't know how many matches I played (all race to 1). It felt like 20. It would be great fargo data because each match was a different opponent. Its hard to get that many opponents in 3 weeks of regular local tournaments.

I wasn't following the chip count. One player asked me how many I had left, and I said I had no idea. When I lost my final match, I went to tell the desk, and they informed me I was out. I was deflated, ha ha. I finally checked the computer screen at the desk, and the remaining players all seemed to have about 2 chips left. So I was not too far off.

On the way home I was hot that I didn't win the whole thing. I played a few shots wrong and kept going over them in my head. I hope I learned my lesson, ha ha. I really felt the competitive drive. I haven't felt that in 10 or 15 years I don't think.

I hated the rule set. It was call every shot, call safe (playing 9 ball). You couldn't play a 2 way shot at all. I even called safe twice and inadvertently made a ball, and my opponent told me to shoot again. I don't get why everyone started calling shots. Luck makes pool fun.
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Me and my son go play in a scotch doubles chip tournament on occasion. It’s ran basically the same as the one you described except it is a race to 2 and slop counts. There is usually around 30 teams in it. Some teams have 10 chips, all they got to do is win about 3 sets and they can go deep.

Mine and his Fargo is a combined 1202 which might possibly be a little on the low side since I have really played in many Fargo tournaments and the ones I have I’ve played terrible in. The last one I played in I got sick right before the tournament and should have won both sets I lost. However that’s out of my control and I’m not really concerned about Fargo one way or the other.
 
Sheldon said:
Stupid lottery games and poker machines killed most of the action that I used to see.
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Which is silly because you have no chance there yet people will pour hundreds of dollars in but won't play for 10 where there is an actual good chance of winning. I won't mention any names but you and I both know some.

Better to flush your money down the toilet than risk your masculinity I guess.
 
At one of the bars I go to, the owner tells me that his 3 gambling machines and the pull tabs he sells pays all his overhead, supplies, help, utilities and rent. Everything he makes on drinks and food is profit.
 
muskyed said:
At one of the bars I go to, the owner tells me that his 3 gambling machines and the pull tabs he sells pays all his overhead, supplies, help, utilities and rent. Everything he makes on drinks and food is profit.
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We had one wealthy guy at our local room probably pump in 2k per week. Another 5-10 guys probably 500-1k each per week. Each for about a decade. It is almost unbelievable. This was with a single machine too.
 
Coos Cues said:
Which is silly because you have no chance there yet people will pour hundreds of dollars in but won't play for 10 where there is an actual good chance of winning. I won't mention any names but you and I both know some.

Better to flush your money down the toilet than risk your masculinity I guess.
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Isn't the payout on the lottery 50%? That right there tells you what you need to know. I guess pocket change for the chance of winning a lot is different. I've always got a buck or two but most of the time I don't have $100 I can lose, even if the odds are 50/50. I should start betting regularly but I have a lot of days where I am useless at the table.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I was in Delaware tonight for a chip tournament. It is run by a guy that is super, super, pro fargo. He even started a whole league in the area based on fargo, rather than the typical APA/BCA stuff. The number of chips each player started with is determined by their fargo rate.

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Unfortunately, the game results are not reported to fargo. I was dissapoined, as that was the main reason I went to play, and the place was a 1 hr 10 min drive from me. The tourney director told me there is no way to get the games into fargo from the chip format. I don't know if it was a digital pool issue (I believe that's the software he was using) or a fargorate issue. He would love to if possible. I don't know if Mike can look into that?
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There are lots of Chip tournaments that go into FargoRate. The two main sources are Ingenpool (budtour) and digitalpool. So I don't know what is going on there.
 
mikepage said:
There are lots of Chip tournaments that go into FargoRate. The two main sources are Ingenpool (budtour) and digitalpool. So I don't know what is going on there.
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Hi Mike, I talked with the TD. He's using Challonge.com for the "normal events" and goodtourney.com for the chip events. He had a lot of trouble with digital pool for the chip events and gave up on it. I'll try to connect you two, he def wants to put the data in fargo. His name is Brain R. from Delaware.
 
mikepage said:
Sure. Let's say a player new to Fargorate is a well known APA 6 or B player in some area, and the people in the area know from experience this should not be too far from, I don't know, 530. And the player is assigned a starter guess of 530.

Scenario 1: The first 40 games generate a performance rating of 460

What people would see as a PRELIMINARY rating is a blend of the 460 and the 530. 40 games is 20% of the way to being established, so the 460 is weighted by 20%. The 530 guess is weighted by 80%

(0.20)*460 + (0.80)*530 = 516

If after 160 games the performance rating is still at 460, it is believed more. Now the player is most of the way to being established and the calculation is
(0.80)*460 + (0.20)*530 = 474

Once the player has 200 or more games, any assigned starter guess is just ignored. The performance rating IS the rating and we call it a Fargo Rating.
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How does a player get in the data base for Fargo to begin with?

To my knowledge I hadn't played a tournament under my full name in years (if ever) and I don't think the league I play in submits data (many players from the my league had no rating when I searched their names), yet I learned I had something like a 520 rating when I played in a tournament a few weeks ago.

Did somebody from the area I play in submit a preliminary rating for me?
 
I don’t think someone can just give you a rating, without your knowledge and permission. At least, I sure as hell hope not.
 
westcoast said:
How does a player get in the data base for Fargo to begin with?

To my knowledge I hadn't played a tournament under my full name in years (if ever) and I don't think the league I play in submits data (many players from the my league had no rating when I searched their names), yet I learned I had something like a 520 rating when I played in a tournament a few weeks ago.

Did somebody from the area I play in submit a preliminary rating for me?
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Check your name on the fairmatch fargorate site. Do you have any robustness? When Fargorate started several years back, it gathered tons of tournament data from before Fargo even existed and put it in the system. You might be in from that early data.
 
I won a Fargorated tournament tonight:)

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I played as a 525 in Delaware, per the TD's rating of me (he knows me). It was a small event. 9 ball, double elimination, call "everything under the sun", short race lengths, and handicapped based on Fargo charts. Actually it was the same event as post #1 in this thread. I played well at times, mediocre at times, and got a few rolls for sure:) I lost the hotseat match 0-3, to the guy I played in the finals. We played even. I had to double dip him in the finals. Each finals set went 3-2, hill hill.

Just like the post #1, I felt I was the best player in the room, except for one guy. Incidentally, I asked that guy to gamble and we exchanged numbers to potentially set something up. If every banger pool player like me thought they were the best in the room, pool would be bigger than poker and have more action:)

One of the shots from Tuesday's chip tournament I played wrong then came up tonight. I remembered it and played it a different way tonight, and it worked out great. I did play a couple different shots wrong tonight, and I'll remember them:) I haven't competed regularly in years, and I forgot how much more the misplaced shots that cost you the game are remembered compared to misplayed shots practicing at home.

I played 5 total matches, 25 games. I expect my unestablished Fargorate to go up maybe 15 points I'm guessing. I'll know in about 8 days when its updated.

One thing I realized from Tuesday's single game chip tournament was I have to be a fast starter in order to do well. I lost my first 3 chips in a row that night. Tonight, I really hit balls well for a good 15 min before the tournament began. I played a warmup shot Genomachino used to advocate on here for most of that time. It really got me fine tuned so I could come out firing in my first match.

This tournament was on the Challonge bracket system. I had the hardest time finding it, but finally did. I like the Digitalpool brackets better. They seem to have more things specifically for pool players, IMO.

Diamond 7' Blue are still pinball machines. Holly molly.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I won a Fargorated tournament tonight:)

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I played as a 525 in Delaware, per the TD's rating of me (he knows me). It was a small event. 9 ball, double elimination, call "everything under the sun", short race lengths, and handicapped based on Fargo charts. Actually it was the same event as post #1 in this thread. I played well at times, mediocre at times, and got a few rolls for sure:) I lost the hotseat match 0-3, to the guy I played in the finals. We played even. I had to double dip him in the finals. Each finals set went 3-2, hill hill.

Just like the post #1, I felt I was the best player in the room, except for one guy. Incidentally, I asked that guy to gamble and we exchanged numbers to potentially set something up. If every banger pool player like me thought they were the best in the room, pool would be bigger than poker and have more action:)

One of the shots from Tuesday's chip tournament I played wrong then came up tonight. I remembered it and played it a different way tonight, and it worked out great. I did play a couple different shots wrong tonight, and I'll remember them:) I haven't competed regularly in years, and I forgot how much more the misplaced shots that cost you the game are remembered compared to misplayed shots practicing at home.

I played 5 total matches, 25 games. I expect my unestablished Fargorate to go up maybe 15 points I'm guessing. I'll know in about 8 days when its updated.

One thing I realized from Tuesday's single game chip tournament was I have to be a fast starter in order to do well. I lost my first 3 chips in a row that night. Tonight, I really hit balls well for a good 15 min before the tournament began. I played a warmup shot Genomachino used to advocate on here for most of that time. It really got me fine tuned so I could come out firing in my first match.

This tournament was on the Challonge bracket system. I had the hardest time finding it, but finally did. I like the Digitalpool brackets better. They seem to have more things specifically for pool players, IMO.

Diamond 7' Blue are still pinball machines. Holly molly.
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What’s the warm up shot?
 
Monti said:
What’s the warm up shot?
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Approx this shot. Shoot a rack from each side of the table to get both cut directions. I don't remember if Geno had mentioned speeds, but I remember the ball positions. I shot it warp speed at first 9 balls each side. Then medium speed same number. Then I dribbled it in pocket speed same number.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I won a Fargorated tournament tonight:)

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I played as a 525 in Delaware, per the TD's rating of me (he knows me). It was a small event. 9 ball, double elimination, call "everything under the sun", short race lengths, and handicapped based on Fargo charts. Actually it was the same event as post #1 in this thread. I played well at times, mediocre at times, and got a few rolls for sure:) I lost the hotseat match 0-3, to the guy I played in the finals. We played even. I had to double dip him in the finals. Each finals set went 3-2, hill hill.

Just like the post #1, I felt I was the best player in the room, except for one guy. Incidentally, I asked that guy to gamble and we exchanged numbers to potentially set something up. If every banger pool player like me thought they were the best in the room, pool would be bigger than poker and have more action:)

One of the shots from Tuesday's chip tournament I played wrong then came up tonight. I remembered it and played it a different way tonight, and it worked out great. I did play a couple different shots wrong tonight, and I'll remember them:) I haven't competed regularly in years, and I forgot how much more the misplaced shots that cost you the game are remembered compared to misplayed shots practicing at home.

I played 5 total matches, 25 games. I expect my unestablished Fargorate to go up maybe 15 points I'm guessing. I'll know in about 8 days when its updated.

One thing I realized from Tuesday's single game chip tournament was I have to be a fast starter in order to do well. I lost my first 3 chips in a row that night. Tonight, I really hit balls well for a good 15 min before the tournament began. I played a warmup shot Genomachino used to advocate on here for most of that time. It really got me fine tuned so I could come out firing in my first match.

This tournament was on the Challonge bracket system. I had the hardest time finding it, but finally did. I like the Digitalpool brackets better. They seem to have more things specifically for pool players, IMO.

Diamond 7' Blue are still pinball machines. Holly molly.
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Well done!
 
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