How do these diamond tables play so badly? vid
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Here's the thing. With enough practice you can also get really good at not gagging when eating a piece of crap. Still doesn't mean you should be eating crap. Just means you've grown accustomed to doing it. If you make eating crap a part of your regular diet. Then you may even smile while slurping it back. To those who aren't forced to, or voluntarily partake in eating crap. The process of doing so is repulsive and almost certainly will incite reactions and/or comments. This is what we have here. Regardless of the supposed reason. The play of that table is crap. The shooter is being forced to "eat it". Reaction is warranted.
You could put a damp paper towel on a otherwise 'dry' rail, and it wouldn't bank that short.
I played on a Diamond blue label Sunday night (Sept 9th). The room was hot and humid (long day, full of players ~200). My table was beside the patio door which was held open. The only relief from the heat was to stand at that doorway and feel the damp breeze. Out side humidity was only 80% (feel free to fact check, toronto area). The rails on that blue label were just a tiny bit short. Definitely nothing to complain about. I only mention this because I generally don't play on diamonds so I'm a tad sensitive to the 'short bank' issue. What I saw in that video was beyond what I've seen with red labels in the past.
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Regardless of the system you choose to use. If you're trying to pot the CB in the corner, shooting from where you started, with no english, and hit this spot on the rail, you should expect it to be short.
Not as short as you experienced, but I would have been surprised if it dropped on any table.
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GC,.... I about fell outta my chair laughing over changing the temp on your table.
Left English, Right, Centerball, cushions, mix 'n match ......... its all here!
Bottom line: The dude missed his "Z" shot.
(Personally, I like GC's a little better than Diamonds, but I play both.)
GC,.... I about fell outta my chair laughing over changing the temp on your table.
Left English, Right, Centerball, cushions, mix 'n match ......... its all here!
Bottom line: The dude missed his "Z" shot.
(Personally, I like GC's a little better than Diamonds, but I play both.)
Only at Knight
They play good
Just gotta embrace and exploit the differences....kinda like dealing with you.
OP has been playing over 20 years. That makes it even. Even worse than before.
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baby. A big ass bowl of it.
For all you complainers about how the Diamonds play, I have a little test you can perform on your own. This test will eliminate the effects from the type of cloth on the tables, the humidity, dirty cloth, everything, leaving only the cushions and the player at fault for any excuses when it comes to banks.
Take the balls, put them in a ball polisher, clean and shine them with JOHNSONS PASTE FLOOR WAX!!!!! Then come back and report your stupid excuses about banking short!!!!
I challenge ANYONE to do this!!!!
What ever you do, DON'T clean the cue ball with the JOHNSONS PASTE FLOOR WAX
Take the balls, put them in a ball polisher, clean and shine them with JOHNSONS PASTE FLOOR WAX!!!!! Then come back and report your stupid excuses about banking short!!!!
I challenge ANYONE to do this!!!!
What ever you do, DON'T clean the cue ball with the JOHNSONS PASTE FLOOR WAX
So you want people to apply a extra slippery compound to the balls so they slide against the rail to compensate for the rail's natural tendency to bank short..? You could just as easily ask them to shove wedges under the legs of the opposite side of the table.For all you complainers about how the Diamonds play, I have a little test you can perform on your own. This test will eliminate the effects from the type of cloth on the tables, the humidity, dirty cloth, everything, leaving only the cushions and the player at fault for any excuses when it comes to banks.
Take the balls, put them in a ball polisher, clean and shine them with JOHNSONS PASTE FLOOR WAX!!!!! Then come back and report your stupid excuses about banking short!!!!
I challenge ANYONE to do this!!!!
What ever you do, DON'T clean the cue ball with the JOHNSONS PASTE FLOOR WAX
Putting a bandaid on a cut stops only the bleeding. It doesn't fix the cut...lol
Wowser! I think I can offend pretty much everyone in the thread at one shot. However, I am going to add a caveat. Cameras lie, still shots or video. Without knowing things like lens setting and distance from the table and ball it can mean a lot or almost nothing.
I watched the video repeatedly and judging from the video, the ball was hit short unless he was shooting to pocket the ball in the corner across from him. Also, the video does seem to show a bit of right.
Now about that roll off of the second rail after the english died, according to the video the cue ball curved out from the bottom rail, that needs some 'splaining as Desi would tell Lucy!
According to the video, I would say that both shooter and table had some flaws showing. However, shooting pool mostly in the swamp but occasionally in very dry air, Diamonds are very environmentally sensitive. In soggy New Orleans even the blue labels want to bank short. The same tables in Dallas need very little adjustment, they play just a touch short as any rubber cushion will, and are easily compensated for. The soggy tables in New Orleans are part of the home field advantage!
I wonder if the rails on this table in the video could benefit from a torque wrench applied to the bolts? I have found the Diamond tables to be a bit temperamental. Environment as already mentioned but a less than highly skilled mechanic can have the tables looking great and playing awful too! Some of the worst playing tables I ever played on were almost new Diamonds that had been recovered once, maybe twice.
As I said at the beginning, the table and the shot looked a bit flawed unless the target was the pocket the cue ball finished nearest, a two rail shot. That looked like slow rolling on that table would get anyone in trouble without a major adjustment for table roll. I'll still weasel and say that video isn't bible though.
A side note since some might not know, 100% humidity is fog, not rain. I have played many times in a little bar that would exchange pretty much all of the air around the pool tables if the front and back door happened to open at the same time. I have had to wipe condensation off of the rails of the tables in there many times because my hands were getting wet shooting off of the rails.
To sum up: The shot looks short for a one rail kick, should have been aimed at the spot on the cushion even with the point, not the point. Also again, just judging by the picture and video, there was a little right on the cue ball. Both of these things are shortening up the kick. Then there is another basic rule of thumb, adjourning rails add running english making the ball kick or bank comparatively long. Opposite rails, Z banks, shorten the ball's path coming off of the rail.
The slight spin on the cue ball, the normal effect of a z-bank or z-kick, we are seeing what we would see on any table made although some will certainly show the effects more than others.
Hu
I watched the video repeatedly and judging from the video, the ball was hit short unless he was shooting to pocket the ball in the corner across from him. Also, the video does seem to show a bit of right.
Now about that roll off of the second rail after the english died, according to the video the cue ball curved out from the bottom rail, that needs some 'splaining as Desi would tell Lucy!
According to the video, I would say that both shooter and table had some flaws showing. However, shooting pool mostly in the swamp but occasionally in very dry air, Diamonds are very environmentally sensitive. In soggy New Orleans even the blue labels want to bank short. The same tables in Dallas need very little adjustment, they play just a touch short as any rubber cushion will, and are easily compensated for. The soggy tables in New Orleans are part of the home field advantage!
I wonder if the rails on this table in the video could benefit from a torque wrench applied to the bolts? I have found the Diamond tables to be a bit temperamental. Environment as already mentioned but a less than highly skilled mechanic can have the tables looking great and playing awful too! Some of the worst playing tables I ever played on were almost new Diamonds that had been recovered once, maybe twice.
As I said at the beginning, the table and the shot looked a bit flawed unless the target was the pocket the cue ball finished nearest, a two rail shot. That looked like slow rolling on that table would get anyone in trouble without a major adjustment for table roll. I'll still weasel and say that video isn't bible though.
A side note since some might not know, 100% humidity is fog, not rain. I have played many times in a little bar that would exchange pretty much all of the air around the pool tables if the front and back door happened to open at the same time. I have had to wipe condensation off of the rails of the tables in there many times because my hands were getting wet shooting off of the rails.
To sum up: The shot looks short for a one rail kick, should have been aimed at the spot on the cushion even with the point, not the point. Also again, just judging by the picture and video, there was a little right on the cue ball. Both of these things are shortening up the kick. Then there is another basic rule of thumb, adjourning rails add running english making the ball kick or bank comparatively long. Opposite rails, Z banks, shorten the ball's path coming off of the rail.
The slight spin on the cue ball, the normal effect of a z-bank or z-kick, we are seeing what we would see on any table made although some will certainly show the effects more than others.
Hu
Hey you,....
I can do both if I choose to. What if I do have the heat and the AC on at the same time? (Why did I just think of my Ex wife?). I Love, the game,I just Hate MY gameplay of it sometimes.
Microwave oatmeal?? seriously? I bet you wave it just to get the 1/2 cooked "crunchy" parts.
Hu, I'm gonna say its camera angle and he hit centerball. Who knows for sure. We weren't there standing behind him. A"Z"shot at half table is a bit of a tricky shot. That 2nd angle is small,(tight). Personally, I would have put maybe a quarter of running English,(in this case Left), and a bit more speed. Too much speed or English puts it in the corner to his left. You needa bit more speed to keep a little spin for when the ball hits the 2nd rail. 2nd rail gives the ball anti-clockwise which makes the angle tighten up and the speed to slowdown. He hit it slowand the bal died on the 2nd rail. That said: a "Z" shot is a bit tougher to execute on a Diamond vs. a Gold Crown.
My 2 cents
Of course you missed the point, it's called elimination of all outside interface, leaving only the player and the cushions to be evaluated! If the problem with banking short is the cushions as everyone claims, the banking short should still be a problem, right?????
Under those same conditions, all other brand tables will bank and kick long. That's why I have "under similar cloth, ball, and environmental conditions" bolded on my Diamond Tables Banking and Kicking Short resource page. If you want to compare different pool tables or different brands, you need to do so under the same conditions (ball, cloth, and environmental). All tables bank longer with new/slick cloth with polished balls in dry conditions, and all tables bank shorter with old/dirty cloth and balls under humid conditions. The point is this: Diamond tables (especially unmodified Red Labels and bar boxes) bank much shorter than all other brand tables when comparing them under similar cloth, ball, and environmental conditions.
except for mine for some unknown reason lol
I understand what you said, loose or tight cloth can have an effect as well. I'm simply stating a fact, and that is that those effects can be counter effected with Johnsons floor paste wax, to make all tables immune the the environment effects for the most part.
I just watched a few of the recorded matches, tables played just fine!!!!