RIP Piper

Yet, the acting at that time swam in drama, black and white productions the norm. It depicts life, that's all. Like Evelyn's living with Fatty for 43 yrs. Allot of HAM and some good bacon.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
He didn't paint men in any better light. In point of fact, Piper's character is in the end, a victim of male ego. Eddie's ego. Bert's ego. This is real life, and Tevis simply used pool as the backdrop to write a side story about the challenges a lot of women go through. Pretty easy to take a bad road when you have massive self esteem problems due to a handicap. Her alcoholism had an actual understandable cause. If men took an interest in her, ignoring her handicap, then maybe she never becomes an alcoholic. And before anyone starts in with the "women don't need a man to define them", we are social apes, and we are programmed by evolution to want and need the attention of the opposite sex, and when that attention is withheld for any reason, it can cause psychological issues. The pleasure derived from alcohol / other substances is often used to replace that derived from companion affections.

Same with Queen's Gambit. Would you care to take a guess at how much more often kids raised in foster/group home environments develop substance abuse problems?

I know you can be very thin-skinned on here Fran, but it is reaching a little to say Tevis intentionally wrote those two roles to demean women.
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So who's the one posting anonymously here? Oh, wait. I know. It's not me pal. :ROFLMAO:
I actually met Walter Tevis. We had a nice chat for about 30-40 minutes back when he was writing The Color of Money. Nice man. He was very up front and honest about himself.
 
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ShortBusRuss said:
He didn't paint men in any better light. In point of fact, Piper's character is in the end, a victim of male ego. Eddie's ego. Bert's ego. This is real life, and Tevis simply used pool as the backdrop to write a side story about the challenges a lot of women go through. Pretty easy to take a bad road when you have massive self esteem problems due to a handicap. Her alcoholism had an actual understandable cause. If men took an interest in her, ignoring her handicap, then maybe she never becomes an alcoholic. And before anyone starts in with the "women don't need a man to define them", we are social apes, and we are programmed by evolution to want and need the attention of the opposite sex, and when that attention is withheld for any reason, it can cause psychological issues. The pleasure derived from alcohol / other substances is often used to replace that derived from companion affections.

Same with Queen's Gambit. Would you care to take a guess at how much more often kids raised in foster/group home environments develop substance abuse problems?

I know you can be very thin-skinned on here Fran, but it is reaching a little to say Tevis intentionally wrote those two roles to demean women.
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I remember the very first movie I saw her in was called 'Johnny Dark' where she played with Tony Curtis.
 
RIP. Ms/Mrs. Jacobs 🙏

At the end, our deepest debts don't have a damn thing to do with money.
 
FranCrimi said:
We know that Tevis was obsessed with alcoholics being that he was one, but I didn't like how he wrote her as a drunk in the film. He did it with the female lead in The Queen's Gambit, too. Piper Laurie was a great actress and she played the role well, but it didn't paint women in a good light at all. May she rest in peace.
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Women are alcoholics? Drug users? Tevis didn’t write the script for Janis Joplin. I could name many others. Sarah wasn’t a Disney character and I never expect to Snow White and Sleeping Beauty sitting in a booth with a bottle of J.T.S. Brown.
 
FranCrimi said:
So who's the one posting anonymously here? Oh, wait. I know. It's not me pal. :ROFLMAO:
I actually met Walter Tevis. We had a nice chat for about 30-40 minutes back when he was writing The Color of Money. Nice man. He was very up front and honest about himself.
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My name is Russ Chewning, and I never made any effort to hide my name, and it's been mentioned multiple times on this forum, so it's not a secret.

And I am not your "pal". I wouldn't be pals with you, as every single interaction you have on here turns into acerbic complaining about one thing or another, or a declarative statement that you know "what's what" about all the things, and don't tolerate disagreements very well. You very much seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Not sure where it comes from, but I hope you work it out.
 
Brookeland Bill said:
Women are alcoholics? Drug users? Tevis didn’t write the script for Janis Joplin. I could name many others. Sarah wasn’t a Disney character and I never expect to Snow White and Sleeping Beauty sitting in a booth with a bottle of J.T.S. Brown.
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I know, I know. He made a choice. I wish he had gone a different way. He still could have made it a great story.
 
FranCrimi said:
I know, I know. He made a choice. I wish he had gone a different way. He still could have made it a great story.
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Well, tell us how you think that might have been accomplished? Give us your story synopsis. Literally everything that Tevis wrote has been turned into very high quality movies/television shows. Perhaps he knows something about the human condition that speaks to us mere mortals?

Weirdly enough, this whole conversation reminds me of the criticisms of Matchroom. They are experiencing a lot of success in a very short time, and all the while, getting criticized by those who know nothing of which they speak.

There's definitely a market for good stories. Maybe you should take your shot. You'll probably show old Walter how it SHOULD have been done...
 
ShortBusRuss said:
My name is Russ Chewning, and I never made any effort to hide my name, and it's been mentioned multiple times on this forum, so it's not a secret.

And I am not your "pal". I wouldn't be pals with you, as every single interaction you have on here turns into acerbic complaining about one thing or another, or a declarative statement that you know "what's what" about all the things, and don't tolerate disagreements very well. You very much seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Not sure where it comes from, but I hope you work it out.
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This was all I could think of when I read your post. remember Ray Jackson from Bloodsport?
 
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Oh that was a great clip! I think for two reasons- shows what great acting is really all about in Newman's scene and it also states in very clear analogies why most of us here really love to play this game - when you have had at least some moments at the table as Eddie describes- you are hooked!
 
FranCrimi said:
We know that Tevis was obsessed with alcoholics being that he was one, but I didn't like how he wrote her as a drunk in the film. He did it with the female lead in The Queen's Gambit, too. Piper Laurie was a great actress and she played the role well, but it didn't paint women in a good light at all. May she rest in peace.
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I would agree with you Fran. The problem was that Hollywood, as well as society in general during those times did not do a god job at all in handling issues such as depression. It was much easier to avoid dealing with true mental health issues by passing it off to the bottle rather than delving into something more complex involving the mind itself.
Sara was a severely depressed person, but Hollywood was not going to tackle that issue properly in the time frame when this movie was released.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
My name is Russ Chewning, and I never made any effort to hide my name, and it's been mentioned multiple times on this forum, so it's not a secret.

And I am not your "pal". I wouldn't be pals with you, as every single interaction you have on here turns into acerbic complaining about one thing or another, or a declarative statement that you know "what's what" about all the things, and don't tolerate disagreements very well. You very much seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Not sure where it comes from, but I hope you work it out.
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Sorry, I'm too thin-skinned to share any more conversation with you, including my conversation with Tevis and who he was following around back then as he was composing Vincent. I remember you from years ago. If I were you I'd hide behind a moniker as well. Have a nice day, Russ.
 
mikemosconi said:
I would agree with you Fran. The problem was that Hollywood, as well as society in general during those times did not do a god job at all in handling issues such as depression. It was much easier to avoid dealing with true mental health issues by passing it off to the bottle rather than delving into something more complex involving the mind itself.
Sara was a severely depressed person, but Hollywood was not going to tackle that issue properly in the time frame when this movie was released.
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Yes, great insight there. I was happy to see that Tevis did evolve as years progressed. At least Vincent's girlfriend wasn't an alcoholic in the sequel.
 
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