Mass Shooting At Maine Pool Hall & Bowling Alley

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Interesting that Maine has one of the lowest gun violence rates in the country. Also has one of the highest ratio of households with gun ownership. At some point, when are the politicians going to do something serious about mental health issues , and the drug companies that makes drugs which give people thoughts to being suicidal and choosing to kill as many as they can before taking their own lives.
 
conetip said:
Interesting that Maine has one of the lowest gun violence rates in the country. Also has one of the highest ratio of households with gun ownership. At some point, when are the politicians going to do something serious about mental health issues , and the drug companies that makes drugs which give people thoughts to being suicidal and choosing to kill as many as they can before taking their own lives.
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Government has gotten out of the mental health business over the past 30 years. It's in private hands and there isn't what needed for the seriously mentally ill.

This man was in a military mental health facility 2 weeks....then the government kicked him out and never notified local authorities. He'd been there for threatening to shoot up his reserve base. After being committed, they were supposed to take his weapons.
 
SBC said:
Government has gotten out of the mental health business over the past 30 years. It's in private hands and there isn't what needed for the seriously mentally ill.

This man was in a military mental health facility 2 weeks....then the government kicked him out and never notified local authorities. He'd been there for threatening to shoot up his reserve base. After being committed, they were supposed to take his weapons.
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So the families can now sue the government for not following their own guidelines?
 
David in FL said:
That's where the disconnect is.

Guns aren't the problem.

Bad guys are the problem.

Sadly, it's virtually impossible to stop bad people from doing bad things if they want to.
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No, high capacity magazine weapons are a problem, and mental health is obviously a problem as well. You guys kill me when you lump all weapons into one group. If we make a mistake and let idiots get their hands on nukes and they vaporize a few million, are you just going to say, “Nukes aren’t the problem, it’s just mental health”. Geez!
 
Lawnboy77 said:
No, high capacity magazine weapons are a problem, and mental health is obviously a problem as well. You guys kill me when you lump all weapons into one group. If we make a mistake and let idiots get their hands on nukes and they vaporize a few million, are you just going to say, “Nukes aren’t the problem, it’s just mental health”. Geez!
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mental health is THE over-riding issue in a lot of the shootings. a simple change to the HIPAA laws would make it easy to check one's mental health issue history instantly. it could easily be part of any basic firearm background check. as for the magazines, that's a non-starter too. in states with 'compliancy' regs they are limited to 10rds. would that have made any difference in this last deal? no, he would have just changed mags more often. bottom line is there were a LOT of warning signs with this idiot. even the pentagon knew about this wackjob earlier in the summer. should have been detained or at least monitored and dis-armed.
 
garczar said:
mental health is THE over-riding issue in a lot of the shootings. a simple change to the HIPAA laws would make it easy to check one's mental health issue history instantly. it could easily be part of any basic firearm background check. as for the magazines, that's a non-starter too. in states with 'compliancy' regs they are limited to 10rds. would that have made any difference in this last deal? no, he would have just changed mags more often. bottom line is there were a LOT of warning signs with this idiot. even the pentagon knew about this wackjob earlier in the summer. should have been detained or at least monitored and dis-armed.
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We were sucessful at keeping the casualties at a min back in the 60s because these idiots were just using standard low cap rifles. Dumping a few million ARs out there was the biggest mistake we ever made.
 
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Monti said:
He had the right to carry and purchase a rifle whilst mentally unstable, which he used to kill people. It really isn’t that hard to grasp nor to be civil in discourse!
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I don't think that's true. I believe it was said he was prohibited from owning firearms..
 
Monti said:
He had the right to carry and purchase a rifle whilst mentally unstable, which he used to kill people. It really isn’t that hard to grasp nor to be civil in discourse!
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It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. Don't expect the police to help you. They are never around when you really need them.
 
SBC said:
Well I'm sure none of your neighbors have guns...
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pj is in Chicago. Hardly any guns around there, at all. :LOL:

Kidding aside, I have a lot of respect for pj and obv he's an intelligent fellow. I appreciate that with him, like a number of others whom I do know well and consider friends, even though we don't agree on a lot our politics, we can agree to disagree and it doesn't have to ruin our friendships. As many of you probably know, there's a fair number of people out there that you can't say that about, not even remotely.

Switching gears, I am wondering if any azb'ers are familiar with Schemengees, the billiards bar where much of the killing took place. Looked like a nice place. I'm curious to know some more about it. I expect they'll be closed for a while. I wish them the best in trying to get things back up and running.
 
Monti said:
He had the right to carry and purchase a rifle whilst mentally unstable.......
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This is not true.

Maine statute 3862, Title 34-B, Chapter 3, makes it illegal for a restricted person (for mental health reasons....read the entire statute for details, and definitions) from possessing, or controlling a dangerous weapon.

Maine Statutes



Likewise, 18 US Code 922 (g) (4) also prohibits possession of firearms and ammunition by people who have been found to have mental health issues (by various authorities...again, read the statute for details and definitions).

18 USC 922



The question, is if it had been legally determined that he had mental health issues, and if so, why the statutes, that are already on the books, were not applied in this case.
 
garczar said:
sorry brother but people that think like this are often victims of crime. surely you don't think that calling the police will save you. what they'll bring is yellow tape and a body bag. what would you use for protection? baseball bat? taser? big stick? good luck with that.
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I think you have an optimistic idea of the risk/reward of gun carrying citizens. Here are some findings from Harvard School of Health's study on that:

www.hsph.harvard.edu

Harvard Injury Control Research Center | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

The Center aims to reduce the societal burden of injury and violence through surveillance, research, intervention, evaluation, outreach, and training.
www.hsph.harvard.edu www.hsph.harvard.edu
  • Guns are not used millions of times each year in self-defense
  • Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal
  • Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense
  • Guns in the home are used more often to intimidate intimates than to thwart crime
  • Adolescents are far more likely to be threatened with a gun than to use one in self-defense
  • Criminals who are shot are typically the victims of crime
  • Few criminals are shot by decent law-abiding citizens
  • Self-defense gun use is rare and not more effective at preventing injury than other protective actions
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Patrick Johnson said:
For the same reason I don't want armed law abiding citizens living next door. They're only law abiding until they aren't, and then it's too late.

"I need a gun for protection" is an NRA marketing slogan.

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And there you have it boys and girls.

Some people are so terrified of guns, they're even terrified of people that they acknowledge to be completely "law-abiding" having them.

I'm sorry, but that's disturbing. 😑
 
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