Was this a good hit?

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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I think he hit ball first. (or ball and rail simultaneously) What do you think? 5 second clip: EDIT: The 3 does not hit the rail at the end of the clip. The only relevant question is if it was a ball first or rail first hit.

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✂️ Ball first or rail first?

5 seconds · Clipped by Nick P · Original video "Mika Immonen vs Tyler Styer ▸ Medalla Light Puerto Rico Open 2023" by Pro Billiard TV
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This looks like a foul to me, hit rail first, but hard to tell from the naked eye. If simultaneous, it is a good hit, correct?

In my BCA 8 ball league, they now do instant replays where someone records the shot if it is close and they play it back in ultra slow motion. Kind of annoying, but the calls are all correct.

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Video ended too soon. Did the 3 make it to the short rail? If so, irrelevant whether the CB hit the 3 or the rail first. Looked as though the 3 may have made it to the short rail.
 
DJKeys said:
In my BCA 8 ball league, they now do instant replays where someone records the shot if it is close and they play it back in ultra slow motion. Kind of annoying, but the calls are all correct.

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Seriously?????? Another reason for me to never play league again. As if it wasn't nitty enough.
 
dquarasr said:
Video ended too soon. Did the 3 make it to the short rail? If so, irrelevant whether the CB hit the 3 or the rail first. Looked as though the 3 may have made it to the short rail.
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Thinking same thing. I think it had enuff juice to make the rail.
 
dquarasr said:
Video ended too soon. Did the 3 make it to the short rail? If so, irrelevant whether the CB hit the 3 or the rail first. Looked as though the 3 may have made it to the short rail.
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No, it did not reach the rail. So it comes down to ball first or rail first.
 
You can go frame by frame using the < and > keys. That will give an even better "slow motion" than the 1/4 speed, IMO. When doing that, it looks almost like a rail first hit.

However, I don't think the CB would have come off in about the same direction as the OB if rail first. If rail first, I believe the CB would have come off the rail at a more perpendicular angle.

The shot was ruled good in the game. (no balls hit a rail after this portion of interest).
 
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Look like rail first

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Resolution not good but does not look like 3 ball hit left rail . :D
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This video by Fred Caudron goes over ball first vs cushion first. I feel like the shot in this thread reacts like Caudron's ball first demonstrations more than cushion first. That's why I thought it was ball first. This Caudron video is very good if you guys have not seen it.

However, now I'm second guessing myself, as if he did hit ball first, that is a super sharp cut angle.

What do the professional refs on here think?
 
MitchAlsup said:
The physics/geometry of how both balls move after contact; indicates it was a foul.
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Watch Caudron's video. A rail first hit with the OB that far away from the cushion would have had a much different path of the CB. It would have stayed close to the rail, and/or come across the rail at a perpendicular angle.
 
garczar said:
Thinking same thing. I think it had enuff juice to make the rail.
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The three ball was feathered.
Impossible to see from distance, but the travel of whitey and the red 3 told me this, After The Fact.
In referee class, a split hit shot was set up, then executed.
You learned, the travel of the cueball after contact is the Tell.
And split hits go to the shooter.
Good hit going in.
But w/o a ref on top of that rail looking down before trigger was pulled.
Perfect situation for both sides to feel they are correct or the other is not.
 
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Slightly off topic, does anyone know what Tyler was playing on this shot? Here is the beginning of the shot, it starts at 37.18 if the link does not take you right there. I'm thinking he was maybe trying to hit the 3 into the 8, leaving the 3 there, and get the CB behind the 10. What do you think?

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Mika Immonen vs Tyler Styer ▸ Medalla Light Puerto Rico Open 2023

🇵🇷 2023 Medalla Light Puerto Rico Open 10-Ball 📍 Convention Center, San Juan, Puerto Rico▸ Draw Men’s Open: https://probilliardseries.com/puerto-rico-open...
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The 3 ball speed and direction are clear evidence the CB hit the 3 after the CB hit the cushion. But that isn't to say that the CB didn't graze the 3 first before hitting the cushion (CB made contact with the 3 twice).

There is absolutely no way the CB hit the 3 before the CB hit the cushion without hitting the 3 again after hitting the cushion. That would mean the 3 was cut at a near 90 degree angle (or more), and the 3 simply won't travel that far if that were the case.

BTW, that clip feature on youtube is pretty handy. Wish I found out about that much earlier.
 
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The 3 ball speed and direction are clear evidence the CB hit the 3 after the CB hit the cushion. But that isn't to say that the CB didn't graze the 3 first before hitting the cushion (CB made contact with the 3 twice).

There is absolutely no way the CB hit the 3 before the CB hit the cushion without hitting the 3 again after hitting the cushion. That would mean the 3 was cut at a near 90 degree angle (or more), and the 3 simply won't travel that far if that were the case.

BTW, that clip feature on youtube is pretty handy. Wish I found out about that much earlier.
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Stealing Spartan's picture, if it was a rail first hit, wouldn't the CB have gone approx in the direction of the arrow? Since it would have hit very deep behind the 3?

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