10 Reasons Why the HALF-BALL HIT is so Important

Culturally your hand symbols are using the Allied definition of two fingers.

In certain Commonwealth countries, including the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, an outward-facing V sign is an obscene gesture equivalent to giving someone the middle finger.

How do you feel about teaching players to make obscene gestures ?
 
justnum said:
Culturally your hand symbols are using the Allied definition of two fingers.

In certain Commonwealth countries, including the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, an outward-facing V sign is an obscene gesture equivalent to giving someone the middle finger.

How do you feel about teaching players to make obscene gestures ?
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:(y) - I think you're about to get the US version of the one finger salute.
 
justnum said:
Culturally your hand symbols are using the Allied definition of two fingers.

In certain Commonwealth countries, including the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, an outward-facing V sign is an obscene gesture equivalent to giving someone the middle finger.

How do you feel about teaching players to make obscene gestures ?
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I love telling the story of the outward facing peace sign in our BU Boot Camps, as part of our “multicultural curriculum.” 🤓

In medieval times, archers were considered the “weapons of mass destruction.” When they were captured by enemies, their index and middle fingers were sometime cut off to prevent the prisoners from using their weapon against the captors in the future. So when archers were approaching enemy forces in battle, they would often dramatically hold up their fingers (with an outward facing “V”) to tell their enemies: “Look, I still have my fingers, you bastards. Now die!” The gesture remained and evolved into a general insult, especially in countries with British influence. Americans liked being different from the Brits, so we further evolved it into the one-finger salute (“shooting the bird”).

However, Winston Churchill also used a peace sign (forward facing) to indicate “Victory” at the end of World War II. And hippies from the 1960s and 1970s in America used the peace sign as an anti-war symbol. And the peace sign is also very useful at a pool table in applying the 30° rule. “V” stands for versatile!

I tell students to be careful if using the peace sign in other countries. I warn them to not lift it up and point it at a somebody with the back side facing out. The 30° rule peace sign is not offensive if you keep it horizontal and only point it at the balls on the table, as intended.
 
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justnum said:
Culturally your hand symbols are using the Allied definition of two fingers.

In certain Commonwealth countries, including the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, an outward-facing V sign is an obscene gesture equivalent to giving someone the middle finger.

How do you feel about teaching players to make obscene gestures ?
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I now want a system made out of ONLY offensive gestures (from every culture).
 
Bob Jewett said:
And from the near jaw, more or less, of the middle pocket.
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Although english-billiards players tend to favor a 'thick half-ball' hit, notwithstanding that theoretically a pure hb hit should maximize the latitude in relation to both direction and pace of cb and ob after the collision. I wonder why this is?

Would the theoretical analysis change significantly if one factored in the fact that the collision is not perfectly elastic?
 
I’m sorry but I find these concepts confusing since I’m a guessing player. My aiming system for the lack of a better word is guessing.

Guessing aiming system players look at the object and cue ball as center to center. We look at the path of object ball going towards the hole and we shoot at that part of the cue ball that makes contact with object mall. .

There is no thinking involve. The only thinking is how the cue ball is played.

Me personally I don’t play the game to pocket balls. I play the game with the cue ball as the main character. Object balls are used to move the cue ball 8 times to get to the 9. This is my thought process. It allows me to have a margin of error so I don’t force myself to have to play perfect shape.
 
shooter_Hans said:
Guessing aiming system players look at the object and cue ball as center to center. We look at the path of object ball going towards the hole and we shoot at that part of the cue ball that makes contact with object mall. .
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Center to center is a very good way to originally look at it in order to see where the OB would hit on the rail and the distance from the pocket. It gives a fairly clear idea of how great the cut angle is and what needs to be seen between the two balls at impact WITHOUT feel.
 
dr_dave said:
I love telling the story of the outward facing peace sign in our BU Boot Camps, as part of our “multicultural curriculum.” 🤓

In medieval times, archers were considered the “weapons of mass destruction.” When they were captured by enemies, their index and middle fingers were sometime cut off to prevent the prisoners from using their weapon against the captors in the future. So when archers were approaching enemy forces in battle, they would often dramatically hold up their fingers (with an outward facing “V”) to tell their enemies: “Look, I still have my fingers, you bastards. Now die!” The gesture remained and evolved into a general insult, especially in countries with British influence. Americans liked being different from the Brits, so we further evolved it into the one-finger salute (“shooting the bird”).

However, Winston Churchill also used a peace sign (forward facing) to indicate “Victory” at the end of World War II. And hippies from the 1960s and 1970s in America used the peace sign as an anti-war symbol. And the peace sign is also very useful at a pool table in applying the 30° rule. “V” stands for versatile!

I tell students to be careful if using the peace sign in other countries. I warn them to not lift it up and point it at a somebody with the back side facing out. The 30° rule peace sign is not offensive if you keep it horizontal and only point it at the balls on the table, as intended.
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History….and history involving any form of billiards…..dear to my heart….thank you, David.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Center to center is a very good way to originally look at it in order to see where the OB would hit on the rail and the distance from the pocket. It gives a fairly clear idea of how great the cut angle is and what needs to be seen between the two balls at impact WITHOUT feel.
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Translating that picture to the actual shot picture without a visible target to aim at is done by “practiced memory” - that’s “feel”.

No need to fear the word.

pj
chgo
 
The Guess system is still better.

CTE doesn't teach you how to play pool. Guess system does and a lot of pros who started as teens played with Guess.

CTE is more for people that started playing in their adult life and this is the only way to explain pool to them. It is cleverly disguised as a system but in no ways some super system people claim it to be.

It's a huge insult to players and their skill by saying CTE is the reason for their success and quite frankly taking too much credit for too.
 
Siz said:
... notwithstanding that theoretically a pure hb hit should maximize the latitude in relation to both direction and pace of cb and ob after the collision. ...
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Actually, the most error-tolerant fullness is slightly fuller than half ball according to theory.
 
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Siz said:
Although english-billiards players tend to favor a 'thick half-ball' hit, notwithstanding that theoretically a pure hb hit should maximize the latitude in relation to both direction and pace of cb and ob after the collision. I wonder why this is?

Would the theoretical analysis change significantly if one factored in the fact that the collision is not perfectly elastic?
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I believe you have no idea what you typed.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Translating that picture to the actual shot picture without a visible target to aim at is done by “practiced memory” - that’s “feel”.

No need to fear the word.

pj
chgo
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All of a sudden in you life of pool, everything is feel. Not what you so adamantly used to say. Now it fits the agenda.
So, how does the "practiced memory" tell you to visualize the linking of the two balls to the target pocket?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
All of a sudden in you life of pool, everything is feel. Not what you so adamantly used to say. Now it fits the agenda.
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When it comes down to it eventually people realize to drop these systems and finally resort back to playing pool again.

No aiming system has turned anyone into a high level player. A high level player may claim they use the system.
 
shooter_Hans said:
When it comes down to it eventually people realize to drop these systems and finally resort back to playing pool again.

No aiming system has turned anyone into a high level player. A high level player may claim they use the system.
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Which includes what? Are you a high level player that knows what it takes?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Which includes what? Are you a high level player that knows what it takes?
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Pool is a simple game.

To theorize the game and conceptualize aiming is done by those that want to con the general public. You are making the game seem much more harder than it really is. So you're going to get a bunch of people following these theories and concepts?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I’ve always said “feel” is a part of virtually every shot. Show us where I contradicted that.

pj
chgo
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With PLEASURE: (PJ getting ready to be caught in some nice big lies)

PJ:
I like this exercise, too. It's also good practice for focusing very intently
from the moment I'm down on the shot.

> In particular, don't get down on the shot until you know *exactly* there the
> desired contact point on the object ball is.

And what the exact cue ball path will be in order to make the contact. Also
(when not "one-stroking"), I like to force myself not to pull the trigger until
I've clearly and confidently visualized the cue ball contacting the object ball
point exactly for three successive strokes. This almost feels like I'm extending
my stick with the cue ball attached until it touches the object ball (adjusted
for squirt/swerve). As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I also like the full
stop at the end of the practice stroke, except I like to do it on every stroke.
Pat Johnson

Now for the PJ doubletalk (a lot more where this came from)
 
shooter_Hans said:
Pool is a simple game.

To theorize the game and conceptualize aiming is done by those that want to con the general public. You are making the game seem much more harder than it really is. So you're going to get a bunch of people following these theories and concepts?
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Are you an instructor? (obviously not since you have nothing to teach)
Are you a high-level player? In what? leagues, tournaments, pro or amateur? Fargo rating?
 
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