The Impossible One Railer

fjk said:
While I can't say I know what's best, I've always hit this shot fairly soft. That's why I said you need to be playing on a fast table. In my small mind, it seems the spin would transfer more with a softer hit. I tried the shot on my table 5 or 6 times last night. While I didn't make it, I did get it close (within 6 inches or so) every time. I'm guessing with enough tries I could make it. My point is, it's possible with a soft hit too.
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Happy New Florian! With the OB being frozen to the rail, 'Outside English' IMPO has no or minimal effect on transferring that English to the CB and in turn transferring from the cushion. On the other hand, applying 'Inside' English the CB curves a little out and then into the OB at a more approachable angle, plus with Inside (E) the look of aiming is easier.

BTW, if you view my video, Post #18, I did Not overpower the shot.
 
fjk said:
While I can't say I know what's best, I've always hit this shot fairly soft. That's why I said you need to be playing on a fast table. In my small mind, it seems the spin would transfer more with a softer hit. I tried the shot on my table 5 or 6 times last night. While I didn't make it, I did get it close (within 6 inches or so) every time. I'm guessing with enough tries I could make it. My point is, it's possible with a soft hit too.
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Wait, are you "the" Florian? If so, your "fairly soft" is probably my 85% effort. :)

how I feel now...

Marsellus:
You ain't got no problem, Jules. I'm on the motherf***er. Go back in there and chill them n****s out and wait for The Wolf, who should be coming directly.

Jules:
[Jules pauses and becomes calm] You sending The Wolf?

Marsellus:
Oh, you feel better, motherf***er?

Jules:
[laughing] Sh*t, ne***, that's all you had to say!
 
I just played with the shot in Virtual Pool. It took me longer to make it there than in real life, lol. It ended up being super sensitive to speed, spin, and very precise cut angle. As in my real-life experience, low right english gave the best results - and could definitely see the cut-induced spin on the OB change as amount of right was changed with the tracers on.

I also explored all angles of double-kisses, and nothing came close that way - the OB tended to go more towards the opposite corner.

 
Just wondering... if this is a 1pocket shot, what happens when (from all accounts, more often than not) the shot goes kablueee?

Lou Figueroa
 
DeadStick said:
I just played with the shot in Virtual Pool. ... I also explored all angles of double-kisses, and nothing came close that way -...
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Virtual Pool does not model cushion compression. That is vital on this shot. Virtual Pool also doesn't model ball-ball compression, which happens in break shots and shots with two balls spotted. I have talked to the developer and there was never any plan to include those effects. In VP the balls don't sink into the cushion. In real life, they go in up to half an inch or so on hard shots.

(Details: to model such effects, the program would have to use very small time steps to get the compression and decompression correct. This would slow down the calculation by a large factor during those times of compression. Handling the resulting large range of time steps makes the calculation a lot more prone to bugs getting in. The increase in calculation time would probably make the tracking jerky. Also, unless there is special handling of the time step, the final ball positions are going to jump around as a function of shot speed instead of being smooth as in real life.)

It might be possible to get the double kiss bank right in VP by putting the object ball a quarter-inch or so off the cushion.
 
Bob Jewett said:
When Efren (was said to have) shot it, the cue ball went five cushions to the head of the table for a safe.
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And Alex mentions on his video that he tries to leave it up there safe, too.

I could see him trying it if there was nothing better. It’s only slightly hard to get it close, but very hard to make.
 
Bob Jewett said:
When Efren (was said to have) shot it, the cue ball went five cushions to the head of the table for a safe.
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From the 3rd Diamond (my shot) with outside it’s a dead scratch. I forget from 2.5 diamonds.

Im betting Efren’s shot wasn’t as severe as these in this thread.
 
iusedtoberich said:
From the 3rd Diamond (my shot) with outside it’s a dead scratch. I forget from 2.5 diamonds.

Im betting Efren’s shot wasn’t as severe as these in this thread.
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The scratch on two rails is not dead. I think if you vary the spin/speed/table the cue ball will go elsewhere. But you are right. If the shot actually happened, it might have been different than the shot that got passed on.
 
@DeadStick your shot is famous. I was in a bar banger tournament in Atlanta tonight, and set up the bank. One guy said "I just saw that on reddit!" I said really? He brought it up and it was your video. I had a chuckle.
 
iusedtoberich said:
@DeadStick your shot is famous. I was in a bar banger tournament in Atlanta tonight, and set up the bank. One guy said "I just saw that on reddit!" I said really? He brought it up and it was your video. I had a chuckle.
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lol that’s awesome. Did anyone make it?

I only recently started posting in r/billiards. Bigger membership there, but lower daily threads posted with much lower quality, and very different vibe there compared to here. Mostly noobs, obviously skews younger.

And have to deal with asshats like this guy:

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Willowbrook Wolfy said:
Not necessarily though. I’m not trying to argue man and not really doubting. It looks fairly legit. but that ball is also pretty close to the side. That shot might actually have compressed the nipple enough to force it backwards just like on a 2 railer that passes the side and then goes cross side. Hit that two railer with just bottom and you can get it to go 3 into the other side by compresses the nipple on the 3rd rail hit. Or the two railer one pocket shot when near bottom of table. That’s partially due to compressing the point that the ball goes rebounds backwards off the rail next to the point. I can only zoom in so much but looks like the nipple does compress. If it’s where I think you could technically make that without outside.
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No.
 
SHORTY WRIGHT said:
A pool player stated to me that this shot can be one railed to the same pocket where the cue ball is placed in the corner pocket … He stated he saw a guy do it like it was nothing …. I told him the shot was impossibe… Please let me know your thoughts ….
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In the 70s we called that shot a jammed force bank. It does indeed hold to the rail a tad longer than a simple one railer. Not sure if you could call it 2 rails, but it's arguable. Perhaps Dr. D could get some slow mo of this going on!?!
 
Mensabum said:
In the 70s we called that shot a jammed force bank. It does indeed hold to the rail a tad longer than a simple one railer. Not sure if you could call it 2 rails, but it's arguable. Perhaps Dr. D could get some slow mo of this going on!?!
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I'm not sure of the physics of exactly what is going on, but to me, it feels like the cue is spinning so much it "kicks" the object ball back at a surprisingly steep angle. Kinda like when you're cutting a ball really thin with outside...it seems to "kick" the object ball with more speed than a feather hit. Am I nuts?
 
The_JV said:
If you have facebook, you can watch alex pagulayan make this very simliar shot. He posted the video yesterday. I'm going go out on a limb and say whoever you were talking do is following Alex's channel
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I think the reality here is that the OB is doubled by the CB. I don't know that but I don't see how it could be made otherwise. If it is indeed doubled by the CB then it's likely it also hits the rail twice. That would make it technically a 2 railer even though it's appears as 1.
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just looked at his web page and he surely does it.....one rail
 
SHORTY WRIGHT said:
A pool player stated to me that this shot can be one railed to the same pocket where the cue ball is placed in the corner pocket … He stated he saw a guy do it like it was nothing …. I told him the shot was impossibe… Please let me know your thoughts ….
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Kick off the end rail?🤷‍♂️
 
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