i would say all pro straight pool is good, even the high run event. but i agree in general, we need more pro straight pool tournaments
Jayson Shaw 714 World Record 2 years ago
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i would say all pro straight pool is good, even the high run event. but i agree in general, we need more pro straight pool tournaments
Interesting you mention both these things. First of all you are correct. Willie did not want to play any really good players. He knew that people came to see him play. In fact in the exhibition that I played him, Pancho had been the first choice of the room owner to play Willie. Willie would have none of it, since he knew Pancho as a pretty strong hustler out of New York, capable of a fifty ball run. I was then chosen since no one ever saw me play Straight Pool. I was capable of running some balls but was way too nervous to compete against Willie, and he liked it that way.
On your second point about Straight Pool, you are also correct. There are maybe only one or two significant Straight Pool tournaments each year. It is pretty much a forgotten game in today's pool world. I can remember when 14.1 was one of the three disciplines in the Johnston City and Stardust tournaments, much hallowed events. People seem to forget that. Straight Pool skill was still highly respected back then, even by the hustlers.
To that point, the last time that Pool was a highly respected sport by the general public was in the heyday of the Straight Pool era, 100 years ago. Big Straight Pool matches and tournaments were on the front pages of newspapers and the top players were as well known (and well paid) as the baseball stars of that time. Just a few little factoids I like to throw in.
So let me be sure I have this right... You wouldn't have a problem recognizing the 669, IF the certification submitted was for that number. You discredit the 669, not because of anything other than the submitted paperwork for comparison didn't list that number....?
So 669 happened and you're in full agreement that it did. You don't agree it's the record because the BCA acknowledged it on their own accord rather than by formal request...?
The foul was not acknowledged in the submission. Had the submission been for a 669 then I would have accepted that. It is simply a matter of rules. He continued after a foul. Nothing counts after a foul so I see this just as it would be seen in formal play, a run of forty-five.
From your posts I assume you consider my stance to be nitpicking but when expecting people to accept something as a world record the rules do need to be followed. Many a world record has been disqualified over minor things. Either the rules matter or they don't. Seeing how these world record attempts are going I hope the whole idea of setting records in private or semi private conditions goes away.
I sincerely wish Shaw the best of luck setting a world record. A nice clean world record without blotches or asterisks. Maybe I have missed it but I haven't noticed Shaw trying to make major hay out of his accomplishment after it was known he fouled very early in the run.
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Jayson Shaw Achieves Record Straight Pool High Run - News - AZBILLIARDS.COM
The Billiard Congress of America would like to formally congratulate Jayson Shaw on his 14.1 exhibition high run of 669 balls, breaking John Schmidt’s record of 626 balls. On January 18, 2022 Jayson Shaw after 5 days and 122 attempts in which Shaw produced high runs of 380, 397, 407 and 714 set t
Lou Figueroa
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I understand the premise and agree if there was indeed a foul that all balls prior would not count, and I'd even be willing to say that the next run didn't start until the first rack. Although I've never read anywhere that exhibition runs must start with a fresh break shot and not mid rack. In competition runs start with the first legal ball dropped. Regardless of when done.
Oh 100%... That said, I couldn't care less about the BCA and I don't need their John Hancock when I can watch all the balls dropped legally in consecutive manner. There's zero argument over the 669. Some have issues with the 714. Either way the man broke the record. I don't need the BCA to tell me that.
What rules were broken to invalidate the 669...? Paperwork has no bearing on the effort imo. I understand you believe it matters. I'm completely fine with us disagreeing.
You have a great point regarding the 714 vs 669. There needs to be a set of rules to measure records against. I just simply don't understand how the formality of paperwork discounts the achievement.
When a sprinter breaks the world 100m dash record. No one holds their breath to see if he has a valid passport to submit his paperwork.
I'm confident the foul that doesn't discount his ownership of the record (pick your number) weighs on him in the slightest. Probably just has more profitable things to do with his time.
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I wholeheartedly agree... Unfortunately this particular record seems to be so protected by the extreme minority. So when do you start to draw the line with equipment and conditions...?
One table is in the North-East during the wet season. The other is in Vegas in the middle of summer in an air conditioned room. so on so forth...
Balls went in holes... good enough for me.
Yeah I think 17-7/8 is the limit that’s most are willing to accept
That 669 run is the only run I have ever heard of that started at 46! There is no way this run would have been accepted in any formal setting and is just further proof of the overall ineptitude of the BCA. I would like to have been a fly on the wall and heard how they decided to certify a 669. Why not a 713 just ignoring the offending shot?
It would have delighted me for Shaw to have legitimately taken the world record. I don't think he did but I have high hopes for another try.
I don't have a dog in this fight and certainly am not going to get angry at anyone for having a different opinion. i just want a record run that starts at zero and goes above 714 to kill the latest controversies. Several old geezers ran over seven hundred, Willie ran over six hundred, maybe over seven hundred. he said he could run over a thousand. Anybody can say that, for Willie it might have been true!
Hu
When is the new room opening so we can see some more attempts? I enjoyed watching the different folks shoot at it and I think it’s good for pool in general.
Shaw ran more balls in a row than anyone else ever has and that includes John. And John seemed to do his run in secrecy with no plan to monetize it while Shaws run had more transparency. I’m surprised John hasn’t made a second run at beating Shaw’s record.
Shaw ran more balls in a row than anyone else ever has and that includes John. And John seemed to do his run in secrecy with no plan to monetize it while Shaws run had more transparency. I’m surprised John hasn’t made a second run at beating Shaw’s record.
All I know is that it's in the works and Bobby is very keen on a women's high run.
A lot of the men are saying taking on Shaw's run would be a very, very tough nut to crack.
Lou Figueroa
Don’t doubt that, but I would think a few would give it a shot. Do you happen to know the current women’s record?
I wish I hadn’t tigjtened my pockets last year when I redid the table, I got a little twisted and tried some straight pool for the first time in awhile and couldn’t break 40. Guess I’ll stick to one hole.
What we're going with is Jeanette Lee's run, witnessed and racked by SJM, which off the top of my head is at 150-something.
Lou Figueroa
its all good fun. but to have a real record or world record so to speak, you have to have a set standard for the conditions.
if there is none or they are lax then the record is just a brag and nothing more. although a great accomplishment.
as said a run of 1000 can be done on one set of equipment and on another you cant beat 300.
mosconi's run was the highest known seen by the public. his conditions were certainly on easier equipment. but who knows the conditions of the table, balls and humidity and such. we will never know. he just walked up to the table and shot.
the new world records which have beaten his were not open to the public to watch as they were happening in person. why?
and the pocket sizes and other conditions were not inspected nor divulged.
in essence there is no world record for high run of balls. and cant be until they set a standard which will endure for time and each whom attempts it will follow it.
if there is none or they are lax then the record is just a brag and nothing more. although a great accomplishment.
as said a run of 1000 can be done on one set of equipment and on another you cant beat 300.
mosconi's run was the highest known seen by the public. his conditions were certainly on easier equipment. but who knows the conditions of the table, balls and humidity and such. we will never know. he just walked up to the table and shot.
the new world records which have beaten his were not open to the public to watch as they were happening in person. why?
and the pocket sizes and other conditions were not inspected nor divulged.
in essence there is no world record for high run of balls. and cant be until they set a standard which will endure for time and each whom attempts it will follow it.
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Jayson Shaw Achieves Record Straight Pool High Run - News - AZBILLIARDS.COM
The Billiard Congress of America would like to formally congratulate Jayson Shaw on his 14.1 exhibition high run of 669 balls, breaking John Schmidt’s record of 626 balls. On January 18, 2022 Jayson Shaw after 5 days and 122 attempts in which Shaw produced high runs of 380, 397, 407 and 714 set t
Lou Figueroa