I want the special Filler 12.4 Revo

[Flakeandrun]

You're wasting your time with this dude. Pool players are influencers they play with whatever brand offers them the most money.

It's the same as fitness influencers saying they got ripped because they used this creatine and that whey powder..

Hit the nail on the head. Yes, professionals absolutely have their own opinions and preferences. As to whether those are the preferences put forward to us, the target audience, is anyone's guess. Us spending money on their recommendation or promotion of their sponsor, is money funnelled into their pockets after all. They are aiming to influence you to part with your hard earned cash.

Sure, not every shaft on the market plays great. But for a dude like Filler it makes no difference if he plays with a Revo, a Cynergy, Mezz or whatever. Modern brands are all very similar. Even the modern wood shafts by custom cue makers aren't like the old ones, they are also low deflection. The KO brothers for example, play with Zen wood shafts.

Some of the stuff coming out of Zen is really bloody nice. Aesthetically, and from a quality control perspective. They sponsor a lot of the events where I am now. Each company has its USP, each company has its sales jargon or hype technique designed to get us to drop $$$. That's just how it is. How it will always be. Zen goes for the classy, faux 'limited' approach. Seen a fair number of gorgeous cues coming from them. Almost seems an attempt at an emulation of the immaculate production ideology of Japanese brands.

They aren't similar. Even Filler says in the interview. Did you watch the posted video? Predator even gives you this information, or look at Dr Dave. Clearly not all shafts hit the same. This is a game of millimeters

We play better or worse with equipment because of an enormous amount of variables. Most of them are seemingly irrelevant, and purely cognitive, relating to whatever is going on inside our tiny brains... how it feels in hand, how it moves across skin, what color it is... there are infinite things that affect our performance whether we feel like these things matter or not.

Those better players adjust to the 'milimetres' faster than those less skilled players. If we are talking about millimeters, there will never be two absolutely identical cues... even coming off the same production line... and I am talking about what would be an almost pointless level of identical. 'Low deflection' came about in order for you to spend more money on something that doesn't really matter all that much...

This happens in all walks of life... just look at 'Carbon Footprint'... who created that concept? BP/Shell/Fuel companies, wanting to shift the blame onto the collective conscience. This amazing shaft is similar, kind of in reverse, instead of blaming your ineptitude on yourself, it must be your inadequate shaft.

 

[Kris_b1104]

Are there any pros in the FargoRate/WNT/WPA (pick one) World Top 50 that are NOT playing with a low deflection shaft?

I would probably guess no, unless that player is over 50 years of age and/or not sponsored.

Edit: 80 years of age

 

[Flakeandrun]

Are there any pros in the FargoRate/WNT/WPA (pick one) World Top 50 that are NOT playing with a low deflection shaft?

I would probably guess no, unless that player is over 50 years of age and/or not sponsored.

Edit: 80 years of age

How many of those professionals in an anonymous survey would answer that they noticed or cared all that much?

I don't have a huge pool to work with here, but I have met a handful of world class players who seem like they couldn't give a shit about what cue they are using. Naturally, it's one of the first things mortals like us are curious or ask questions about... two of them were pretty dismissive of the equipment they were using, one described his equipment as, 'as good as anything out there', and there was one anomaly who who was freakishly attached to his cue, but it had nothing to do with the technical specifications of that cue.

Snooker is a whole different beast, talk to snooker players about this subject and the experience would be incredibly different... Pick a stick based on wholly subjective feel, 'Learn the stick', keep the stick forever. Only now a few professionals are trying to rock that boat again... (Murphy - cues for certain situations, Mcgrath, aly al saeed - on the CF hype)

 

[skogstokig]

Are there any pros in the FargoRate/WNT/WPA (pick one) World Top 50 that are NOT playing with a low deflection shaft?

I would probably guess no, unless that player is over 50 years of age and/or not sponsored.

Edit: 80 years of age

ko brothers, lee van, alex are at least using regular maple from custom makers. whether they're lo-def or not i don't know. used to be that most chinese pros preferred SW's but that's not the case anymore

 

[dendweller]

maybe because I'm comfortable playing with extreme side spin quite often

Was watching a match of his in the last month with double J and mark wilson. I believe a point one of them was making about Filler is that you won't see him using extreme side much, that he's most often using just a little, maybe for gearing, but rarely a lot.

 

[dendweller]

I use the 11.8 Revo but I would love a 12.4 which is also super low deflection. I can't use the standard 12.4 because it deflects more than the Z shaft, which I played with for years. See the interview where Joshua Filler explains his custom Revo

Please Predator allow us mortals to buy the better version of this shaft =]

Guess it's possible that what they did to remove mass weakens it some so doing it for people that ask is one thing, selling to the masses another. Might be a headache for them.

 

[Kris_b1104]

If Filler wins Master of the Table, I believe he will be the first person in DCC history to win the MotT and 10ft Bigfoot at the SAME time.

If he accomplishes this, I will lose 200 pounds, switch to left handed, get two kneecap reduction surgeries, learn the D-Generation X "suck it" taunt, buy a pair of jeggings AND THEN demand Predator to make me a "special Filler 12.4 Revo".

Priorities man, priorities...

All jokes aside, this guy might be the best player that ever existed. A true anomoly in this sport.

 

[skogstokig]

If Filler wins Master of the Table, I believe he will be the first person in DCC history to win the MotT and 10ft Bigfoot at the SAME time.

If he accomplishes this, I will lose 200 pounds, switch to left handed, get two kneecap reduction surgeries, learn the D-Generation X "suck it" taunt, buy a pair of jeggings AND THEN demand Predator to make me a "special Filler 12.4 Revo".

Priorities man, priorities...

All jokes aside, this guy might be the best player that ever existed. A true anomoly in this sport.

he may also be the first to sweep it all. that would be totally sick

 

[tomuch23]

If Filler wins Master of the Table, I believe he will be the first person in DCC history to win the MotT and 10ft Bigfoot at the SAME time.

If he accomplishes this, I will lose 200 pounds, switch to left handed, get two kneecap reduction surgeries, learn the D-Generation X "suck it" taunt, buy a pair of jeggings AND THEN demand Predator to make me a "special Filler 12.4 Revo".

Priorities man, priorities...

All jokes aside, this guy might be the best player that ever existed. A true anomoly in this sport.

After watching him play closely over the last year on the screen and in person it's easy to see he's determined to win at all cost and be the best to ever play. With today's talent that is a very tall order but I would not bet against him in the long run. The guy is always wearing Jordan gear which I never thought much about but get why he does that now. He is playing on another level compared to the other big names.

In person Josh and Pia are more approachable than most and very friendly. They will answer questions, take pictures and sign stuff for everyone who ask. I know what people think when it comes to his emotions after winning but it also shows how much it means to get the victory in the end. Hard not to see the MJ vibes if you were fortunate enough to watch him dominate the court. Going to have to ask him some details on the shaft when I see him again.

 

[jokrswylde]

They aren't similar. Even Filler says in the interview. Did you watch the posted video? Predator even gives you this information, or look at Dr Dave. Clearly not all shafts hit the same. This is a game of millimeters

Brother, buy what you want, play with what you want, heck, placebo effect can be as much as 20% in research. I know when I used to get a new cue, tip, glove, chalk, etc. It seems like I immediately play better (Not true).

But understand. PREDATOR PAYS FILLER TO SAY THIS STUFF. It is his obligation, I bet it is even contracted that he has to say these things in interviews. Maybe his super exclusive predator shaft is the nutz, but I would bet my paltry bankroll that he would say the EXACT same thing if he were sponsored by another company. Does that then mean their super exclusive shaft is the best. NO.

 

[poolscholar]

Brother, buy what you want, play with what you want, heck, placebo effect can be as much as 20% in research. I know when I used to get a new cue, tip, glove, chalk, etc. It seems like I immediately play better (Not true).

But understand. PREDATOR PAYS FILLER TO SAY THIS STUFF. It is his obligation, I bet it is even contracted that he has to say these things in interviews. Maybe his super exclusive predator shaft is the nutz, but I would bet my paltry bankroll that he would say the EXACT same thing if he were sponsored by another company. Does that then mean their super exclusive shaft is the best. NO.

People being paid to use this stuff doesn't change the facts. Of course the best player in the world is going to be paid to play with a cue. Maybe he happens to use the best shaft in the world? That's a possibility as well

My experience exactly mirrors Filler. The off the shelf 12.4 Revo deflects too much, which is why he switched back to the wood Z shaft for a while and why I went back to the 12.9 revo, which is lower than 12.4. It's not placebo. There are real differences. If you learn on one shaft, it has a certain amount of deflection. Other shafts will deflect more or less and your game can go down if you switch. For example, cuetec is very high deflection for carbon fiber, so if you play with a maple shaft prior, you'll like the cuetec but you might hate the Revo with lower deflection.

 

[garczar]

People being paid to use this stuff doesn't change the facts. Of course the best player in the world is going to be paid to play with a cue. Maybe he happens to use the best shaft in the world? That's a possibility as well

My experience exactly mirrors Filler. The off the shelf 12.4 Revo deflects too much, which is why he switched back to the wood Z shaft for a while and why I went back to the 12.9 revo, which is lower than 12.4. It's not placebo. There are real differences. If you learn on one shaft, it has a certain amount of deflection. Other shafts will deflect more or less and your game can go down if you switch. For example, cuetec is very high deflection for carbon fiber, so if you play with a maple shaft prior, you'll like the cuetec but you might hate the Revo with lower deflection.

I have NO CLUE how you measure deflection but here's my non-scientific method: shoot at the middle diamond on end-rail firm with about a tip or so of english. I've tried a bunch of cf shafts. The difference in the worst and the best isn't much. The Cynergy(tried the 12.5/11.8) would hardly qualify in the 'hi-deflection' range. Regardless of which you pick you'll have to deal with some deflection. Any decent player will adjust to a new shaft pretty fast. If you keep letting little niggly details like this bother you good luck going forward. You'll start using equipment as the scapegoat for bad play. Seen it happen a gillion times. Just curious, if Predator doesn't grant you this request will you keep playing or seek counseling??

 

[justnum]

Was the video you posted targeted at the statement above? Yes, you could log into J-stor or some other academic library, have an 80's style montage of research clips and brow sweat, then really have some reference to stick a nail in this... You could also have some real life, physical data, to emphasize the point beyond your subjective desire to own a new shaft (for reasons relating to only you). I'm talking graphs, charts and detailed analysis. Let's put on some white coats and get @justnum involved?

I am writing a bad news bear type movie but for billiards.

Sports movies always work. I am coming up with skits and scenes that work for today's audience.

The social media reveal is a scene that is challenging because cultural differences on social media. What do you think works for being exposed as a pool hustler on socials?

Its going to be about fighting for access to a pool room when countries have age limits.

 

[Cornerman]

Was watching a match of his in the last month with double J and mark wilson. I believe a point one of them was making about Filler is that you won't see him using extreme side much, that he's most often using just a little, maybe for gearing, but rarely a lot.

This is categorically not true. I just watched him for the dozenth time. That man knows the extreme edges of the cueball like all professionals. What he does do different is that he plays for long position, so maybe you see less spin position given the same ball layout. But he uses as extreme English as anyone.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Corey for years played with a 314 that he sanded the logo off of because he was not sponsored by them.

Efren now plays with a Z-2 that he covers the logo with blue Painters tape when on a big stream. When on a little stream from the Philippines he doesn’t hide the logo.

Pro players are still players at the end of the day and would strongly prefer to play with a cue they actually like. If they can get paid for it at the same time, well that’s a win-win.

 

[garczar]

Corey for years played with a 314 that he sanded the logo off of because he was not sponsored by them.

Efren now plays with a Z-2 that he covers the logo with blue Painters tape when on a big stream. When on a little stream from the Philippines he doesn’t hide the logo.

Pro players are still players at the end of the day and would strongly prefer to play with a cue they actually like. If they can get paid for it at the same time, well that’s a win-win.

CD has played Meucci the last few yrs. He'll use whatever is free. Gorst jumped from CT straight to Viking/WhiteCarbon with ZERO loss of performance. These guys can play with anything. If they had a pro 'Wally-bushka' event the same players would be at the top.

 

[iusedtoberich]

CD has played Meucci the last few yrs. He'll use whatever is free.

He used 314 in his 5280 days. Probably for 10 years.

 

[dendweller]

This is categorically not true. I just watched him for the dozenth time. That man knows the extreme edges of the cueball like all professionals. What he does do different is that he plays for long position, so maybe you see less spin position given the same ball layout. But he uses as extreme English as anyone.

wasn't really saying that's what I saw, it's what one of the announcers said.

 

[poolscholar]

I have NO CLUE how you measure deflection but here's my non-scientific method: shoot at the middle diamond on end-rail firm with about a tip or so of english. I've tried a bunch of cf shafts. The difference in the worst and the best isn't much. The Cynergy(tried the 12.5/11.8) would hardly qualify in the 'hi-deflection' range. Regardless of which you pick you'll have to deal with some deflection. Any decent player will adjust to a new shaft pretty fast. If you keep letting little niggly details like this bother you good luck going forward. You'll start using equipment as the scapegoat for bad play. Seen it happen a gillion times. Just curious, if Predator doesn't grant you this request will you keep playing or seek counseling??

Do you know what the Dunning–Kruger Effect is?

 

[poolscholar]

CD has played Meucci the last few yrs. He'll use whatever is free. Gorst jumped from CT straight to Viking/WhiteCarbon with ZERO loss of performance. These guys can play with anything. If they had a pro 'Wally-bushka' event the same players would be at the top.

Maybe Gorst switched from Cuetec because... it deflects a lot and is hard to play with, not worth trying to adjust. Have you personally asked him why?