To say "Zero loss of performance" is not at all true. He's been missing more shots since the switch then he did the whole previous year it seems. I follow him pretty closely and it's going to happen to everyone, especially with him going thru quite a few different directions right now trying to grow his brand. He has his own line coming out on top of it which cuetec was not ready to do for him. It's probably more mental but the shafts are quite different, finish is not as smooth as cuetec and the hit is a different, but to be fair I only got to hit for 30 mins or so. The price is ludicrous but their wood finish is pretty slick. Up-charge on every tip except stock kamui soft at that price is lame. I do agree with you on most other topics though lol. After he settles in I would think everything will start falling again. Pool has so many similarities to golf, equipment changes take time and most of us are headcases on tee box-greens and everything in between.
I want the special Filler 12.4 Revo
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This is another strange comment. Fedor said it was time for a change and the key selling point was that the parent company (Qco) were doing things as part of their mission. A big reason that he was explicit about was that it was a US-based manufacturing company. Given what his current citizenship path is, that seems important enough for him to have highlighted it. He had every opportunity to say the shaft had less deflection or played better, but he never said that in his official release. Trying to second guess a man’s choice of equipment because he wanted “less deflection” when he won everything with Cuetec the last few years doesn’t make logical sense to me.
It is ironic that you mentioned Dunning-Kruger since it feels like you’re missing something in your “argument.”
I can have a discussion with you on why people may not want less deflection, but it is unclear whether you are open to that. Being sincere here. Less deflection doesn’t ever mean better in of itself.
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I didn't understand that post at all either. He was absolutely killing it the previous couple of years.
If I were to predict my Fargo with a shaft if I switched today, I'm guessing these numbers.
Z shaft, Revo 11.8 (my current setup)----- 657 (my current rating)
Revo 12.4 and most other carbon fibers ----- 620 I would get back to 650 eventually but take me year or more to adjust
cuetec synergy or plain maple shaft ----- somewhere in the 500's very hard to adjust, may never get back to 650
I played with the 12.4 full time for months, years ago, and never fully got my speed back so I switched back. Increased deflection caused misses once in a while
Z shaft, Revo 11.8 (my current setup)----- 657 (my current rating)
Revo 12.4 and most other carbon fibers ----- 620 I would get back to 650 eventually but take me year or more to adjust
cuetec synergy or plain maple shaft ----- somewhere in the 500's very hard to adjust, may never get back to 650
I played with the 12.4 full time for months, years ago, and never fully got my speed back so I switched back. Increased deflection caused misses once in a while
If I use extreme english over 9 feet, the difference in deflection between the 11.8 revo and cuetec cynergy is almost the width of a whole ball. If you've hit a million balls with a low deflection cue and try to use the cuetec, good luck adjusting lol
I've shown this in person to bunch of people and a couple of my students to convince them to ditch the Cuetec Cynergy. Shooting a ball in with high inside english from long distance. The hard part about mastering pool is adjusting for deflection from a variety of distances and low deflection makes this more intuitive
I've shown this in person to bunch of people and a couple of my students to convince them to ditch the Cuetec Cynergy. Shooting a ball in with high inside english from long distance. The hard part about mastering pool is adjusting for deflection from a variety of distances and low deflection makes this more intuitive
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Right. And any cue ever made before the 314’s came out in the 90’s is like 3 balls out. I don’t understand how some people never noticed a difference.
cynergy 10.5mm should have pretty low deflection.. haven't tried it. but common sense says deflection varies between different size cynergy shafts
Meucci. Other then that they all feel about the same to me lol
I disagree about the deflection. I've tested both the 11.8 revo and cynergy back to back ( I own the cynergy currently ) and they were extremely similar.
I can switch to either shaft with no aiming compensation, even on hard inside English shots.
Regardless of shaft, you will always adapt to which ever you play with. I can't say that any one shaft is better than another, but revos in general have the worst feel (to me).
Yea I have a 11.8 Revo already. I'm looking for a 12.4 which deflects like the Z shaft/11.8
If anyone thinks all shafts deflect a similar amount, then they are not going far enough off center or not testing from a long distance. Put the OB 6 inches from the pocket and then the cue ball 8-9 ft away. Use high/middle inside spin with 1-2 tips off center
A lot of players rarely get beyond 1/2 tip of side spin. Find the point of miscue and then go a bit less than that
A lot of players rarely get beyond 1/2 tip of side spin. Find the point of miscue and then go a bit less than that
What was Earl playing with when he ran that set out and won the 1M…maybe Jay will see this and can add some insight on his cue or shaft. Or what was Keith, Buddy and Matlock playing with when they was beating everyone. I doubt that old rattle trap Efren beat the world with was anything less that all deflection 
It’s funny just watching all the cue / shaft threads play out
It’s funny just watching all the cue / shaft threads play out
What was Earl playing with when he ran that set out and won the 1M…maybe Jay will see this and can add some insight on his cue or shaft. Or what was Keith, Buddy and Matlock playing with when they was beating everyone. I doubt that old rattle trap Efren beat the world with was anything less that all deflection
It’s funny just watching all the cue / shaft threads play out
This is like saying Jack Nicklaus won all those golf majors with old clubs. Why do modern players need fancy new golf clubs? Clearly not a very logical argument.
Have you considered the possibility these old players might have been even better had they started learning with a low deflection cue? Filler played with an ultra low deflection Z shaft for many years (not sure how young). And now an ultra low Revo. One possibility, is if Filler learned and played on a regular maple shaft, he might only be an 820 instead of a 848.
The old guys still playing, and not sponsored, have almost all switched to the black shafts the past year or two.
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I have a question for you. Let's say predator grants your wish and builds you Filler's shaft. You receive it and you play great with it. You were right all the time and this shaft does make you better.
A few days later Filler announces that he's leaving Predator and his new Sponsor is McDermott. He says that the Defy shaft is the best shaft he ever played with and it blows the Revo out of the water. Filler keeps winning tournaments with his new shaft.
Will you switch to the Defy or keep playing with the Revo?
Not sure, probably just stick with Revo most likely. I don't select my shaft based on players. It just happens Filler and me played with the same shaft and experienced the same issues. But I'm open minded I will try a few shots with anything. Currently the Z and 11.8 revo are the lowest deflecting shafts out there, if another brand create a hyper low deflection 12.2-12.5 I'd be willing to switch or try to switch
That's cool and all but Anton Raga can give them all the 7 ball on 4 inch pockets in 2024. Or Filler, or literally any 800+ FR player. It's just inevitable, the new generation will always become better.What was Earl playing with when he ran that set out and won the 1M…maybe Jay will see this and can add some insight on his cue or shaft. Or what was Keith, Buddy and Matlock playing with when they was beating everyone. I doubt that old rattle trap Efren beat the world with was anything less that all deflection
It’s funny just watching all the cue / shaft threads play out
If those guys you mentioned played on today's conditions and equipment, they would get their boots smoked.
That may very well be, basically the whole point was does the shaft make the player. The cf shaft threads are as old as the hills and are indeed interesting. But like the old saying goes, it’s not the arrow it’s the archer. Sure equipment and technology will always improve and so to will both pool players and people who play pool’s game. But draft king odds are if you put an off the shelf Meucci road agent in the hands of every player in the BF tournament at the DCC the outcome is gonna be the same.
Except for prime time Efren…more than likely he beats all those mentioned.
And I ain’t knockin the Revo’s or any other brand of cf shaft, I think they’re all fine products. But today’s top players are players with or without them.