Dumbest tournament rule ever???

spartan said:
Already 3 matches caught up in "lag-gate" :LOL:
Sky v McBride

Chang v McBride

Chao v Maciol

Don't like to call people names but that ref in Sky v McBride is a laggard. He was also the ref in Chang v McBride match :ROFLMAO:
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I agree. That ref shouldn't be working professional events.

In the Chang/McBride match, how can anything be called when the cueball hadn't even been struck yet??? That ref is an idiot, IMHO.
 
mr3cushion said:
One or the other's players ball is going to contact the top rail first. The question is, can a player 'Past Post' the lag. Wait till your opponent's ball contacts the rail and then hit the CB.

When in World 3C events the matches went to 15 Point games, winning the lag in a 2 out of 3 match is Huge.
Honestly, you would rarely see the infraction in 3C.
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thats because we all know 3 cushion players are gentlemen....;)
 
So crazy

Kaci lost a lag for moving a ball
Maciol lost a lag for moving a ball
Chang lost a lag for moving a ball
Fedor was not immediately awarded a lag for Wiktor moving a ball
Sky had to re-lag for Payne shooting late
Ropero didn’t have to re-lag for Kawahara shooting late
 
dumb rule in a ‘match’ that consists of
two races to 4 and a gimmicky shoot
out? really

what to expect? the company’s name is predator

they have chosen to name their products ‘predator’

it’s actually called predator, it’s a pool company that is named predator
 
markjames said:
dumb rule in a ‘match’ that consists of
two races to 4 and a gimmicky shoot
out? really

what to expect? the company’s name is predator

they have chosen to name their products ‘predator’

it’s actually called predator, it’s a pool company that is named predator
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Predating history...
 
MattPoland said:
So crazy

Kaci lost a lag for moving a ball
Maciol lost a lag for moving a ball
Chang lost a lag for moving a ball
Fedor was not immediately awarded a lag for Wiktor moving a ball
Sky had to re-lag for Payne shooting late
Ropero didn’t have to re-lag for Kawahara shooting late
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I noticed Fedor laughing about Zielinski moving the cue ball too.
 
it's not the new refs from what i understand but a WPA rule reinforced during or after the world 8b championship. i think they informed the players during the players meeting. so however dumb, and it's obviously plenty dumb, it's on the players for not having listened
 
skogstokig said:
it's not the new refs from what i understand but a WPA rule reinforced during or after the world 8b championship. i think they informed the players during the players meeting. so however dumb, and it's obviously plenty dumb, it's on the players for not having listened
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The WPA rules are vague and open for interpretation. It’s not the specific refs. But these refs are official refs from the EPBF. The EPBF provides them standards and training on what to do. It’s based on their interpretation of the rules. And those are very nitpicky interpretations. It’s a fault of whoever at the EPBF is responsible for setting policy. They are too focused on being “accurate” to the rules and not being what ref should be which is mostly non-existent until they are fundamentally needed. It’s what happens when left brained nerds are allowed to be in charge of something. The EPBF referees need a real leader to guide them or they jeopardize their existence.
 
Why was the ref calling Sky on it? It was Payne that lagged late. Someone has to lag first, then the opponent has to shoot their ball before the other ball reaches the opposite end rail. It has been this way for as long as I can remember. Is lagger a word?
 
MattPoland said:
The WPA rules are vague and open for interpretation. It’s not the specific refs. But these refs are official refs from the EPBF. The EPBF provides them standards and training on what to do. It’s based on their interpretation of the rules. And those are very nitpicky interpretations. It’s a fault of whoever at the EPBF is responsible for setting policy. They are too focused on being “accurate” to the rules and not being what ref should be which is mostly non-existent until they are fundamentally needed. It’s what happens when left brained nerds are allowed to be in charge of something. The EPBF referees need a real leader to guide them or they jeopardize their existence.
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It is on the specific refs also.
1)If the rule is player cannot move the ball, then the ref in Gorst/Zielinski screwed up and did not enforce the rule to penalise Zielinski
2)For the WPA 1.2 rule "(a) a player’s ball is struck after the other ball has touched the foot cushion"; in Ropero/Kawahara, the ref was napping and did not enforce the rule to relag again
3)The biggest boo boo pointed out by AtLarge was the shocker in SVB/Hijikata where the match was happily played in alternate break in both sets instead of winner break.
That's 3 ref errors just from 30 streamed matches. 10% error rate.

Obviously, some refs not well trained by EPBF/PBS or clueless about the rules or sleeping on the job
The bigger issue that the EPBF have to fix first and minimise are such ref errors where rules are already communicated to refs but yet they are not enforced properly and consistently.
:LOL:
 
spartan said:
It is on the specific refs also.
1)If the rule is player cannot move the ball, then the ref in Gorst/Zielinski screwed up and did not enforce the rule to penalise Zielinski
2)For the WPA 1.2 rule "(a) a player’s ball is struck after the other ball has touched the foot cushion"; in Ropero/Kawahara, the ref was napping and did not enforce the rule to relag again
3)The biggest boo boo pointed out by AtLarge was the shocker in SVB/Hijikata where the match was happily played in alternate break in both sets instead of winner break.
That's 3 ref errors just from 30 streamed matches. 10% error rate.

Obviously, some refs not well trained by EPBF/PBS or clueless about the rules or sleeping on the job
The bigger issue that the EPBF have to fix first and minimise are such ref errors where rules are already communicated to refs but yet they are not enforced properly and consistently.
:LOL:
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Okay. Those are some ref errors too. And pretty funny at that.

Also in the Ropero/Kawahara match one player struck the lag after the other players ball hit the end rail (like the Sky match) and didn’t have them relag.

I can partly excuse mistakes because we are all human. I’m more irked when the policy is intentionally nitty. The refs shouldn’t be injecting themselves in the match just because they want to flex they read a strict interpretation of the wording of a particular rule that clearly wasn’t intended to be that way.
 
I guess they need to add some yellow red and green lights at the end of the table....do it like drag racing...bump in and turn on your yellow...opponent has 10 seconds to bump in and activate his yellow...lag on green light....lag early and you red light....don't lag after 5 second green light and you red light......problem solved.....

Or simply just put the refs to work and do it JJ Da Boss arm drop style....chase is a race...LOL......SMH
 
What's so hard to figure out? It's not that fuggin complicated.
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So what happens if two 400-pound guys need to lag and they can't move the balls over closer to the side rails? :unsure:
 
iusedtoberich said:
I heard one player lost the match due to a bathroom break, that his opponent was fine with. I didn’t get the specifics.
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Robbie Capito - link here

According to him, he "experienced a severe stomachache" and then "sought permission from both my opponent and the referee and they both agreed to the break" and somehow he still got penalized. What a shit show.
 
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