No, it's not.
Some evidence of what I have long suspected about Fargorating
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No, it's not.
JABSolstice
Well-known member
Sandbagging, by definition, has to be intentional.
DeeDeeCues
Well-known member
Hence the quotes around the word. If he isn't concisely trying his hardest in a match that he knows is reported to ratings, he is sandbagging. He is making a decision to play in something he doesn't get his hardest in. He isn't necessarily doing it maliciously, but his choices affect his rating.
Isn't that the same problem with trying place players of yesteryear in the Fargo universe?
Is anyone really obligated to play on kill?
Quite being obtuse.
its human nature to play better against better players as you are unconsciously being put under pressure to perform.
so your rating by how they determine it is going to be lower than those that have to play better players regularly.
nothing wrong with that at all on your part.
so your rating by how they determine it is going to be lower than those that have to play better players regularly.
nothing wrong with that at all on your part.
No big aha moment for me... I don't even have a FR. I was simply offering an opinion.
It is extremely difficult not to get apathetic at anything, if there is not enough inventive to overcome it.
This is the time when a lot of better players quit playing, you know,that unless you dedicate yourself even more to the game, with very little reward, you are probably not going to improve much , if any. You don't play well enough for a steady diet against top players , but you play too good to get a game you can make anything at.
The proverbial rock and a hard place.
It sounds like you are burnt out.
You might want to take some time off, at least by this summer , and have some fun at other things. It will still be here next winter if you decide to come back, and once you get to a certain point of skill, it only takes a week or two to get back in stroke, if you don't quit for a long time , like several years. Good luck whatever you decide.
stewie
Active member
This is normal and expected outcome if you play mostly weaker rated players in handicapped events/leagues. The more weight you give, the less likely it is you can upset somebody. But the weaker player always keeps the chance of upsetting you.
I think, there are many players who would be higher rated if they would play better fitted events for them. It's the 570+ who plays <600 things or those handicapped/split bracket tournaments, where 500+ play in the <560 bracket. Even taking into consideration the many players who think they are better than they actually are.
In the ideal world FR makes a lot of sense, but if one has less chances of upsetting somebody than anybody else in his/her group, it can be frustrating.
I think, there are many players who would be higher rated if they would play better fitted events for them. It's the 570+ who plays <600 things or those handicapped/split bracket tournaments, where 500+ play in the <560 bracket. Even taking into consideration the many players who think they are better than they actually are.
In the ideal world FR makes a lot of sense, but if one has less chances of upsetting somebody than anybody else in his/her group, it can be frustrating.
For most there is also the natural tendency to play to the the level of your opponent......If I am playing in a league/tournament that the highest is a 600.....I most likely won't play my best.....Play in a local tournament that has a weak field and just destroy everyone....You most likely won't be welcome as those players are just there to have fun....so you end up playing creatively weak so you can fit in..........Play weak in a strong field and you get destroyed....Find a field that are some are below and some above your Fargo.......You most likely will get a better assessment of your actual game.
We have pretty much all been in all three situations.....The only guy in the room/field that could run 3 balls....The dead nuts Mr. Average.....and Dead Money.
Prime example is watch a pro that does the amateur challange games......Think they are trying very hard????
We have pretty much all been in all three situations.....The only guy in the room/field that could run 3 balls....The dead nuts Mr. Average.....and Dead Money.
Prime example is watch a pro that does the amateur challange games......Think they are trying very hard????
Could it possibly just boil down to not being as good as what the self-perception and ego thinks it should be?
If someone is involved in 100-yard sprints but not performing up to their own perceptions of what it should be,
do you blame it on the stopwatch or starting blocks?
Everybody else that gets rated by Fargorating is judged by the same stopwatch and starting blocks worldwide, so to speak.
If someone is involved in 100-yard sprints but not performing up to their own perceptions of what it should be,
do you blame it on the stopwatch or starting blocks?
Everybody else that gets rated by Fargorating is judged by the same stopwatch and starting blocks worldwide, so to speak.
DeeDeeCues
Well-known member
I don't disagree with your opinion. I don't have FR, either.
Obtuse. Huh.
Let me put it this way:
1. Do you think that the OP's weekly 'I don't care enough to try' matches result in accurate data for his real skill level? Keep in mind the data he presented.
2. Is there any possible benefit to the OP for having a lower rating than his skill level?
Any rating system is reliant on accurate data. I have never intended to imply that the OP is unique or at fault here. As he pointed out, this is a shortcoming of FR. Too much data often means inconsequential, or biased data. Weekly leagues are not necessarily great sources of data for the exact reasons in the original post. For most players under, say 500-ish rating, it probably doesn't matter. When you get a 600 who is winning 80% of his games against other 600's, it matters. Seems kinda odd, tho--that would be about a 200pt rating discrepancy.
It is possible that the OP is a 600-ish player who played one other 600+ player in the last twelve months and got a really good result.
Case closed on what? If you don't try your Fargo will be lower? Yes it will be. Same for EVERY handicap system. How can anyone know your mental state and effort in playing? Only thing any system will see if the results, not reasons for those results.
Totally agree. I guess we need a 'woke Fargo' that figures in your feelings or mental state when you played. Seriously, the system counts games won/lost nothing more. The fact you didn't try or were bored doesn't mean squat.
Damned good question.
I'm in a agreement with you that it doesn't mean squat; however, if it's intentional then it's sandbagging, and his is not, that's what I was trying to clarify with him. I am the same way but opposite, when I played league I played better, when I played tournaments, I played worse, it is what it is. That's what robustness is for, to even those things out. That poster doesn't get it.
You just described that dumping games lowers rankings, everyone knows that already
Hey...that's rather rude calling me out like that!
Hell yes. Under Woke Fargo, id easily be a 700+ rated player if the system knew that I had just gotten laid before the match.