Another Farorate thread
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There’s a lot of difference in playing the ghost, anyone can play it, you said you were going to beat it and post the video.
soyale
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even a video of a 5-20 loss against the pro ghost would suffice as some evidence for his 20% b&r stat.
It doesn't suit the APA handicapping narrative to be able to fact check against players from other regions.
ok... I had to ask about stats and compare roughly to nights played. However, here's my B'n'R % for my current season.
19 nights played. =95 racks (5 racks a night). Of those racks I broke 32 of them. Total count of EROs (B'n'R) is 21.
So:
Now here's where the math fails. In CCS (ACS), you get accredited with an ERO for any runout that contains 8 consecutive pocketed balls. So that means I could have legitimately been accredited with what we're coining a "BnR" even though it was my, lets say 4th inning, but made 8 pocketed balls. I also have suffered losses within that 95 rack count in which I didn't touch the table. So that clearly shouldn't be reflected in my BnR success. Now I can't say I have a 66% success rate without laughing. Clearly that's not reality. So portion of my numbers are either after a 1st trip but a full suit, or an opponent's dry break.
Here's my take. Before digging into the stats, I was going to comment that I probably avg 1 BnR a night. I think that holds pretty true to the numbers I was given. I've had nights of none and nights of 3. So, as a ~680 I have a 20% BnR success rate in my 8 ball league (9ft). Granted that's loose math, but it holds up I think. I'll also add that I'm having a 'weak' season, so these stats don't necessarily align perfectly with events (tournaments) that are reported to Fargo.
I don't have a means to track my 9/10b success rate. Doubt I ever will chase that number. Don't really care to be honest. A win is a win. I take more pride in the racks I have to grind out anyways.
19 nights played. =95 racks (5 racks a night). Of those racks I broke 32 of them. Total count of EROs (B'n'R) is 21.
So:
- 21/95 for a 22% success rate ...or
- 21/32 for a 66% success rate
Now here's where the math fails. In CCS (ACS), you get accredited with an ERO for any runout that contains 8 consecutive pocketed balls. So that means I could have legitimately been accredited with what we're coining a "BnR" even though it was my, lets say 4th inning, but made 8 pocketed balls. I also have suffered losses within that 95 rack count in which I didn't touch the table. So that clearly shouldn't be reflected in my BnR success. Now I can't say I have a 66% success rate without laughing. Clearly that's not reality. So portion of my numbers are either after a 1st trip but a full suit, or an opponent's dry break.
Here's my take. Before digging into the stats, I was going to comment that I probably avg 1 BnR a night. I think that holds pretty true to the numbers I was given. I've had nights of none and nights of 3. So, as a ~680 I have a 20% BnR success rate in my 8 ball league (9ft). Granted that's loose math, but it holds up I think. I'll also add that I'm having a 'weak' season, so these stats don't necessarily align perfectly with events (tournaments) that are reported to Fargo.
I don't have a means to track my 9/10b success rate. Doubt I ever will chase that number. Don't really care to be honest. A win is a win. I take more pride in the racks I have to grind out anyways.
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Do you any records for your B&R % on barboxes? I'm interested in how a stronger player switches between BB and 9ft.
I feeling like my % goes up on a 9ft tables due to less clusters, but I have no point of reference as I don't typically play on 9ft.
Theoretically the results should be the same, but there are far more clusters to deal with on BB, plus positional play needs to be more accurate.
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What's your current fargorate and current robustness?
He is around 480 with 450 games robustness.
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I want to hear it from the horse’s mouth. Exact numbers
He has stated it in this thread.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Mine does. Which is why i thought it funny that Kentucky mentioned playing the ghost on a 9 footer instead of the “kiddie” table. I have a better chance on the 9 footer.
If a 7 footer is considered a “regulator” like a lot of people try to say. It tells me a lot of people believe a higher level player goes down a bit on them. I’ve always thought this was bs. But in order to regulate something you need to meet in the middle. So if not using handicaps the lower players actual skill has to go up and the higher levels down. And it’s also funny because I’ll bet if you ask Mike Page wins/losses are probably the same on either. The only time I see the 7 footer really helping out somebody is if they aren’t that good and can’t make long shots.
I believe the same as what you stated Gustav
If you pocket a lot of balls and can make most of the harder shots regularly but aren’t good at shaping there is more room to move around on a 9 footer. And even playing great shape most of the time it’s easier to get in trouble or blocked on a 7 footer. less room= more clusters and smaller lanes regardless of the game.
If you pocket the hard ones regularly but get out of shape often, the 9 footer gives you more room for shape error to still pocket the next ball. Also you have more wiggle room to get back into shape too. Shape errors are less costly on a 9 footer most of the time because 2” out of shape on a 9 is translated to 3” out of shape on a 7 footer or something to that effect.
In a sense. The only time a 7 footer would make anyone better is if they shape better than pocket balls. Or if they safety a lot. Cause safing is easier on a 9 footer. But that safety point is mute when playing someone good that can kick/jump well People that can pocket all the harder shots but not shape the best should play better on a 9 footer.
So maybe a 7 footer would be a regulator sometimes, but it doesn’t automatically make a mid range player better or give the lower skilled player a better chance. It’s better for some worse for others depending on their skill set, and probably at any level.
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This is exactly my experience over and over, regardless of what any rating system suggests. There is a difference when playing on different size tables and given enough time, any player will get used it.
However, for people that predominately play on one size, then move to the other for a single event, they are likely at a disadvantage for either BB or 9ft.
Positional play versus ball pocketing is a major factor to consider as it favors a specific player based on table size as you have stated.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Oh that reminds me. I made a new pool buddy last week at the tournament. We played after. He’s a 650. He won 3-2 then 3-1 then I beat him 3-2 and we decided a race to 5 for double. Got to hill/hill my break and the bar closed. He won $20. Last set was for $40. Sucks the bar closed up!. I told him and the rest of the group of high rated players I was talking with before that I’d have a better chance playing them on a 9 footer. And it’s the truth. I even stated the same about the Super Billiards expo. I’m better on a 9.
So he and I are supposed to go get some practice in on some 9’s whenever we both have time. What 650 wants to practice with someone who is almost 200 fargorate points less than themselves? I don’t know many if any. So if nothing else I must at least have potential!
So he and I are supposed to go get some practice in on some 9’s whenever we both have time. What 650 wants to practice with someone who is almost 200 fargorate points less than themselves? I don’t know many if any. So if nothing else I must at least have potential!
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Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Oh and we each broke and ran 1 time in our 18 games since people question B&R stats.
Oh that reminds me. I made a new pool buddy last week at the tournament. We played after. He’s a 650. He won 3-2 then 3-1 then I beat him 3-2 and we decided a race to 5 for double. Got to hill/hill my break and the bar closed. He won $20. Last set was for $40. Sucks the bar closed up!. I told him and the rest of the group of high rated players I was talking with before that I’d have a better chance playing them on a 9 footer. And it’s the truth. I even stated the same about the Super Billiards expo. I’m better on a 9.
So he and I are supposed to go get some practice in on some 9’s whenever we both have time. What 650 wants to practice with someone who is almost 200 fargorate points less than themselves? I don’t know many if any. So if nothing else I must at least have potential!
Because you’re a fish who thinks he is a shark! My bad a sheep who thinks he is a wolf.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Yeah, but they would only mean if we were playing for something we’re not gonna play for anything we’re just going to practice together. Probably that’s my only chance to play anybody at one pocket too. I haven’t played one pocket in a while.
You just said you were playing the guy for money the other day so I assumed you would the next time as well.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Oh, I know. That’s how I probably would’ve interpreted it also. Thats why I called him my new pool buddy. If we were playing for money, your point would be more than valid. My plan was to get over there already and play him some and get a few ghost races in the process before or after but I just haven’t had time lately. Have my car in pieces and just realized that even though it looks like my front tires have tread on my truck the ball joints need replacing. The inside tread is gone. So I can’t drive far until I get those replaced and some new tires either.
I’d rather be at the hall though.
This post right here shows you know nothing about playing pool.