Once in 9 games is about 10%. It’s just a little shy of the 20% you brag about.Oh and we each broke and ran 1 time in our 18 games since people question B&R stats.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
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Yes but 10% still isn’t bad. And on the other post. Gustav and I share the same opinion. Both of us feel like a 9 footer is easier to run out on and a 7 footer is harder to run out on. I’ve given factual information to support this. Only used small numbers though. So I will multiply it for you. On a 9 footer you can be 9” off of shape and based on surface area will only be as bad off as if you are 6” off shape on a 7 footer. I’m just estimating here.
Now I’m not. A 9 foot table is 5000 sq ft and a 7 ft is 3000 sq feet. The balls are constant because they are the same size. So as a fact you could generalize it. that means 6” off shape on a 7 footer gives you the same probability of being bad off as 10” off shape on a 9 footer. That’s the basic principle I’m going with because in both cases the balls are a constant. Sorry if you can’t understand that. Having a 10” lane to send the cb through on a 9 foot table is essentially as probable as only having a 6” lane to move the ball through shaping on a 7. You can argue all you want but the math is factual, you are just human. I’m leaving out shot speed in the calculation but am about to address that also. Angles also factor in here but I’m not about to start incorporating those. This is already a book.
Plus I’ll add to my opinion. Is it easier for most lower level players to hit harder or softer? Which can a lower level control easier?
There aren’t a lot of low level players that can control fast speed and slow speed shots well. All in all, they play the biggest array of shots best that aren’t near either extreme. Typically they might follow better slow because the ball can only go so far, but only draw good at a higher speed because they don’t draw well. So playing neither slow nor fast is where a normal lower to mid skill level achieves the best results. Where as a better player can control their draw and follow at any speed and can adjust the speed of a shot regardless of shot speed being low or high. Or They can control how much follow draw and side spin according to shot speed. A lower level can’t. So a 9 foot automatically uses less slow speed shots which many will agree is harder to gauge well than a higher speed shot, and should in turn benefit anybody that’s able to pocket balls but isn’t good at controlling the CB at slow or high speed. And really slow shots come up more often on a 7 footer. On a 9 footer you have less really slow shots. It’s more midrange speed shots. And normally high speed shots don’t really come up very often on either. More on 9 foot obviously.
So who doesn’t know pool? Me or you? I know the math too.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
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Taking all shots as a whole. All a 7 foot table does is give more error room to pocket balls. It makes pocketing balls easier and that’s it. Since the shots are shorter in general your aim can be off a bit more playing on a 7 foot table and you can still make more balls than on a 9 footer. So people with bad aim can make more balls on a 7 foot table. That’s all that helps players on a 7 footer.
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Break and run percentages are much higher on a 7 footer compared to a 9 footer so I'm not sure what you're getting at?
Willowbrook Wolfy
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Well when you are talking at a pro level. Their shot make percentage will also go up on a 7 footer. Everybody’s does. Just the better someone’s aim is the less you will notice the difference. Plus you have to figure a pro plays shape good enough to maneuver through the smaller windows that you get on the 7 footer. And have the ability to go another way to get where they are going better. And their speed is pretty much spot on. Therefore. Of course there is an opportunity for them to break and run more often on the 7 foot table.
Plus at the pro level. As talked about previously I think in this post about safing to end a run.. Is a pro more likely to take a high difficulty shot on the 7 foot table than on a 9 foot table? If shot making percentage goes up. A pro’s 60% shot on a 9 foot table can be 70% on a 7. Maybe higher. They’re probably taking shots on a 7 that on the 9 they would safe on because now the probability is high enough to take the shot instead of safing resulting in more runs that end with an out over a safety.
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Well just bring a suitcase full of money and come on down and we will see who knows more.
I’ll be glad to play you on the 9ft since it’s so easy for you.
Amateurs shot making also goes up on a bar box so does their position play because they don’t have to move the cue ball as much.
Those longer shots you were bragging about making on the 9 ft all those shots are shorter on a 7ft therefore easier to make.
Except when you are the wolf.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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No Kentucky. There are a lot of instructors out there, that are some of the best, that never played even at a semipro level. You might know how to make balls and are really consistent about it. But thats based on how you play. Not how everybody else plays.
There’s not one right way to play pool. That’s one of the reasons pool is so much fun. For most it’s not like checkers. It’s more like chess. There can be strategy in checkers too but it’s more basic. You can only move your chips forward. Chess strategy requires you to move pieces in all directions. Even though top players in chess pretty much play alike they still don’t play exactly the same.
Even knowing all the moves and percentages doesn’t mean they will always win. It just means they know chess. Others don’t know all the percentages but they sure can play well. They are gifted but can’t explain all the percentages etc. They don’t know chess but are pretty damn good at it.
I'd bet the house ANY level of player will play better on a 7' than a 9' (pocket/cloth/cushions being equal).
Does not matter if its the 3 ball carnival game, 9 ball ghost, 8 ball ghost, 14-1 practice, etc.
Yes, I know all about Thorston having a hard time running 100 on a 7' Diamond.
I'll still bet the house if a player legit kept stats for a decent amount of time on both tables that their numbers on a 7' would be WAY higher.
Does not matter if its the 3 ball carnival game, 9 ball ghost, 8 ball ghost, 14-1 practice, etc.
Yes, I know all about Thorston having a hard time running 100 on a 7' Diamond.
I'll still bet the house if a player legit kept stats for a decent amount of time on both tables that their numbers on a 7' would be WAY higher.
Since you're so familiar with APA I've seen 3's break and run on a 7 footer but never on a 9 footer. With a good break where you make a few balls and the table is open it's very easy to run out on a 7 footer. That's not the case on a 9 footer because of the distance.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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That’s partially correct. Pocketing balls is easier for everybody on a 7. But someone without really good speed control can be off farther on a 9 footer and still be good.
Take a 500 you know and have them shoot a ball and put the CB into a 4” box with a natural angel on both a 7 footer and a 9 footer. Make the one on the 9 footer a different spot with a bit more distance. You think they will be off 10/6 . Because if their speed on a shot is 6” off on a 7 footer it will also be a little more off on a 9. But not 10” off. The surface area doesn’t matter with speed control. Speed control is putting the cb into a certain area or box. Only distance matters
Even though the surface area is 5/3 between the two the dimensions aren’t. The dimensions are basically 9/7 and 4/3.5 the diagonals are about 11/9. So distance of shots is less of a factor then surface area is between the tables. As long as the pockets are the same size on both tables.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
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Man I should be a math teacher. I’m giving up for the night. Good luck on your ventures people!
This sums up the mindset of players like you. You would have run the rack if you hadn't missed the 9 ball? Nope the 1 ball!
I actually envy players that have more confidence in their game than they should, as I'm the opposite. I've never been able to clear my mind of my shortcomings. It's almost been a curse. I guess that's helped me get better slowly over the years. I don't know though -- maybe not.
I did watch a minute of one of your videos a while back and I do think you cue better than your rating would indicate. But the reality is, if you don't get real about where your game is at -- you'll get stuck before too long, move on to another adventure, and disappear from AZ. Which I don't really want as your passion is growing on me a bit
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The more this guy types the more he sounds like a 450.
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I'm waiting of a video of any kind of the legend of Wolfy running tables.
Or even "a" table for that matter.
Should I hold my breath?
Willowbrook Wolfy
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Nah the break was great I made 3 balls on it and the rest were sitting off the rails and pretty by the pockets and in order if that makes sense. They were mostly stop shots. Most tables have what I like to call a key shot. That’s going to be the hardest shot in a run. Could be an hard shot, a cluster, or the one that is hard to get to. It’s the shot I always identify before starting to run a rack. On that particular layout the key shot happened to be the one ball with shape on the 3. There was a lot going on too because off the one off the rail I had to hit the 8 or would’ve overrun the shot line on the 3. I got the shape but jawed the 1. I was in break and run mode at the time and had already ran 2 which is where the increase in confidence came from. That’s all.
Thanks for the kind words btw.
Check back in about a year he might be able to beat the ghost by thenI'm waiting of a video of any kind of the legend of Wolfy running tables.
Or even "a" table for that matter.
Should I hold my breath?
Here you are bragging about playing even with a 650. In another post you were bragging about 550s asking for spots. Now you post your record showing they destroyed you. Which is it ? Again just shows you are just rambling on.Oh that reminds me. I made a new pool buddy last week at the tournament. We played after. He’s a 650. He won 3-2 then 3-1 then I beat him 3-2 and we decided a race to 5 for double. Got to hill/hill my break and the bar closed. He won $20. Last set was for $40. Sucks the bar closed up!. I told him and the rest of the group of high rated players I was talking with before that I’d have a better chance playing them on a 9 footer. And it’s the truth. I even stated the same about the Super Billiards expo. I’m better on a 9.
So he and I are supposed to go get some practice in on some 9’s whenever we both have time. What 650 wants to practice with someone who is almost 200 fargorate points less than themselves? I don’t know many if any. So if nothing else I must at least have potential!
Willowbrook Wolfy
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Don’t matter man. I have fun playing and have a blast with most people I play with. That’s all that really matters in the end. End result will hopefully be more wins but that’s not a particular goal of mine right now. I’m just focused on getting there.