Flakeandrun
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I would. Last game, on the hill, for the money. How long does a rack take?
Another Farorate thread
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I would. Last game, on the hill, for the money. How long does a rack take?that's NOT the point. you know going in what time the place closes. respect their hours. if that's actually your stance i'd toss your ass and you'd never get back in.
Flakeandrun
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Worked many jobs in hospitality growing up. Maybe it's a cultural difference. Kick my ass to the curb. I just go some place else next time 
exactly. no one's gonna miss one a-hole that thinks the world revolves around him. i've closed places down and had to deal with the 'just one more game' crowd. they usually tip bad and are general pita to deal with. running them off never hurt business.
Flakeandrun
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Understand, I guess benefit of the doubt initially, but if someone's taking the piss they'd get the boot where I'm from too for sure. Hill-hill for the money, I'd be watching haha
Well, conveniently enough, I just played in a BB (valley) event on Saturday. Now, I think the bulk of people on the forum say BB just to denote a smaller table, and not necessarily a true to old school form Valley style coin op. However it is smaller and still prone to clusters when compared to a 9ft.
With that said, I can confidently say that my 8b BnR % is much higher on a BB. Working from memory... I was likely north of 80% on my break to drop a ball, and at least 75% to get the BnR from there. I know for a fact I only played 2 defensive shots all day.
Valley BB is an ultra-aggressive game though. When you're playing an endless string of players >650. The odds of getting multiple trips to the table are extremely unlikely so you take your slim chances when they present themselves.
Which cb type did you play?
Looked like the painted ball, with the Valley logo on it. It was terrible... I played like crap in the first round. Terrified on what might happen with the CB. Fortunately my team mates played strong and got us through. I woke up after that and played very well.
Yeah, a standard valley BB is just too easy. Even when the APA Masters event was played on them (albeit with Ridgeback rails), I felt it was much easier to run out versus Diamonds.
Thanks for your feedback!
It's been almost 3 weeks, did I miss the video?
Only mine and it’s not really worth watching.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Wolfy just don’t give a shit.
Nice vid Kentucky. Do you ever miss? I thought I made you play worse? Now looks like you were going for the 1 in the side on most breaks. But racks 1 and 7 why not go pro ghost and no ball in hand? I could understand rack 7 after playing a perfect match. But rack 1 the 2nd ball had 3 pockets to go to. Maybe 4. With easy shape on next ball even if you were off shape a bit. That would’ve been 1 rack with no BIH for me. Not saying I would’ve ran it. But you would’ve.
And no way you are only a 600. Never seen a 600 run over a 4 pack. Seen it two times. Even with a shot off the rack 5 break. That’s 36 balls maybe 40 max. 2 on each break would be minimum 32 shots. Maybe it was just your day, but ive never seen a 600 go over 40 shots without missing in 9 ball. You made it look easy. And on the first try. I did see a 630 put up a 6 pack one time recently. But that same guy used to keep up with semi pros 20 years ago. And probably was closer to a 700 back then playing daily.
I’d say you are at least a 650. You didn’t get off shape as much as a typical 600 would. Plus made more balls in a row than I’ve ever seen a low 600 make. And I’ll add to it. Making that many in a row didn’t phase you at all. If it didn’t happen often you’d at least be a bit more “showing”. 675 all day. Maybe your defense and strategy are what’s holding you back. But going off the video I’d say if that’s your break it’s what is keeping you at 600. You might have been breaking for a certain spread but you were using a template which people say wires the wing ball and usually didn’t have a good shot on the first ball. But that’s going off 7 racks and an assumption at this point.(I can’t be 100% nice
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I’ll still play you even!
Edit: sorry I’m editing but that last part was based off experience. I play a guy occasionally in league/tournaments that always breaks for the 1 in the side, and I enjoy playing him because he almost always makes it and screws himself on the break half the time. Which in turn leaves me a better chance to get to and control the table. He’s somewhere in the 500’s.
Nice vid Kentucky. Do you ever miss? I thought I made you play worse? Now looks like you were going for the 1 in the side on most breaks. But racks 1 and 7 why not go pro ghost and no ball in hand? I could understand rack 7 after playing a perfect match. But rack 1 the 2nd ball had 3 pockets to go to. Maybe 4. With easy shape on next ball even if you were off shape a bit. That would’ve been 1 rack with no BIH for me. Not saying I would’ve ran it. But you would’ve.
And no way you are only a 600. Never seen a 600 run over a 4 pack. Seen it two times. Even with a shot off the rack 5 break. That’s 36 balls maybe 40 max. 2 on each break would be minimum 32 shots. Maybe it was just your day, but ive never seen a 600 go over 40 shots without missing in 9 ball. You made it look easy. And on the first try. I did see a 630 put up a 6 pack one time recently. But that same guy used to keep up with semi pros 20 years ago. And probably was closer to a 700 back then playing daily.
I’d say you are at least a 650. You didn’t get off shape as much as a typical 600 would. Plus made more balls in a row than I’ve ever seen a low 600 make. And I’ll add to it. Making that many in a row didn’t phase you at all. If it didn’t happen often you’d at least be a bit more “showing”. 675 all day. Maybe your defense and strategy are what’s holding you back. But going off the video I’d say if that’s your break it’s what is keeping you at 600. You might have been breaking for a certain spread but you were using a template which people say wires the wing ball and usually didn’t have a good shot on the first ball. But that’s going off 7 racks and an assumption at this point.(I can’t be 100% nice
)I’ll still play you even!
Edit: sorry I’m editing but that last part was based off experience. I play a guy occasionally in league/tournaments that always breaks for the 1 in the side, and I enjoy playing him because he almost always makes it and screws himself on the break half the time. Which in turn leaves me a better chance to get to and control the table. He’s somewhere in the 500’s.
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Thats about average lower 3rd pro speed imo. pretty good playing.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Nah I can string some racks together but also have a real bad habit of stringing 2/3 misses together too. I’ll run a 2 pack then miss my next 3 shots like they don’t matter.
In the first game the angle was a little steeper than it looks on the video I would have had to go up and down without running into anything. Plus I had only shot a few balls and wasn’t really warmed up. The last rack was simply I had played good up to that point. If I remember correctly I did have a good shot the angle just wasn’t perfect.Wolfy just don’t give a shit.
Nice vid Kentucky. Do you ever miss? I thought I made you play worse? Now looks like you were going for the 1 in the side on most breaks. But racks 1 and 7 why not go pro ghost and no ball in hand? I could understand rack 7 after playing a perfect match. But rack 1 the 2nd ball had 3 pockets to go to. Maybe 4. With easy shape on next ball even if you were off shape a bit. That would’ve been 1 rack with no BIH for me. Not saying I would’ve ran it. But you would’ve.
And no way you are only a 600. Never seen a 600 run over a 4 pack. Seen it two times. Even with a shot off the rack 5 break. That’s 36 balls maybe 40 max. 2 on each break would be minimum 32 shots. Maybe it was just your day, but ive never seen a 600 go over 40 shots without missing in 9 ball. You made it look easy. And on the first try. I did see a 630 put up a 6 pack one time recently. But that same guy used to keep up with semi pros 20 years ago. And probably was closer to a 700 back then playing daily.
I’d say you are at least a 650. You didn’t get off shape as much as a typical 600 would. Plus made more balls in a row than I’ve ever seen a low 600 make. And I’ll add to it. Making that many in a row didn’t phase you at all. If it didn’t happen often you’d at least be a bit more “showing”. 675 all day. Maybe your defense and strategy are what’s holding you back. But going off the video I’d say if that’s your break it’s what is keeping you at 600. You might have been breaking for a certain spread but you were using a template which people say wires the wing ball and usually didn’t have a good shot on the first ball. But that’s going off 7 racks and an assumption at this point.(I can’t be 100% nice
I’ll still play you even!
Edit: sorry I’m editing but that last part was based off experience. I play a guy occasionally in league/tournaments that always breaks for the 1 in the side, and I enjoy playing him because he almost always makes it and screws himself on the break half the time. Which in turn leaves me a better chance to get to and control the table. He’s somewhere in the 500’s.
My break really sucked during this set. Usually when you play good you break good but I think there was only one game where I actually had a good break. Playing the ghost though it’s not that important. Even without a good break the balls weren’t clustering up and that’s all you really need playing the ghost.
Fargo doesn’t lie so I’m barely over 600
I don't understand the correlation Woolly is making between fargo rate and ability to string racks together. While I'm confident that as one's fargo rises, the likely hood of them putting multiple racks also increases. However, I float around in the higher 600s and I can't recall the last time I put a 3 pack on anyone.
It’s not that often that you see pro players put a 3 pack on someone and we all know that they are very capable of doing so.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
You must be a very good, well rounded player JV. I’m not the one who stated this first. Kentucky said pretty much there was no way at 480 listed fargorate I could run an 18% B&R rate on avg in the tournaments I play. And if so he won’t take my word on it and I’d have to prove it. It doesn’t have anything to do with fargorate. But the general consensus is that in order to be a certain level you would need a certain level of offense to achieve said level.
Also I’d say i don’t think a 600 could beat the ghost 7-0. Unlike Kentucky I wouldn’t need proof. But there he is at 600 beating down the ghost 7-0. That’s like 700+ level offense. He didn’t miss a shot so there is no way to compute the actual level of his offensive play without any misses. But if an avg 650’s offense is even with the ghost, even that 650 will have a rough time 7-0ing the ghost.
This is why the ghost is rated at 650. It takes the avg offensive play of a 650 to play even with the ghost.
Dr Dave has even addressed break and runs as a sign of fargorate level. I think a 500 was 5-10% or maybe a 600 was 10%. This is off memory. A 600 has probably run a 3 pack at least once and a 700 a 6 pack. It’s just an estimate of avg offense of each tier of player is all.
Atorontopoolplayer
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I would think the average 650 would be pretty comfortable to beat the 9 ball BIH ghost more often than not.
I’m a 558 Fargo and my best ghost set was 7-2. (9’ GC with 5” pockets). I was actually up 6-0 on it and had a real good chance to blank him. I have a video of it in one of the prior year ghost threads.
Now my avg score is probably a 1.5-7 loss I’m guessing. But sometimes it all just comes together.
Now my avg score is probably a 1.5-7 loss I’m guessing. But sometimes it all just comes together.