Anyone still use a SS joint?
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Lambos is one I'm looking to try. Tasc? I got a quote and just need to go through with it.
I recently got a Mezz complete set. Everything. Enjoying it and it shoots lights out. Everyone should be playing with one but custom cues is always where my heart lies.
My CAM cue is my daily player and it is SS 5/16/14 insert. Amazing player.
My lambros also, an amazing player but i havt taken it put for a while. Was considering lettting it go to a good home.
My sugartree and carmellis flat wood/wood and also great player.
I think if the cue is built well, as long as the joints suit the cue and weight you cant go wrong. Cheap cues with cheap joints however are problematic.
My lambros also, an amazing player but i havt taken it put for a while. Was considering lettting it go to a good home.
My sugartree and carmellis flat wood/wood and also great player.
I think if the cue is built well, as long as the joints suit the cue and weight you cant go wrong. Cheap cues with cheap joints however are problematic.
My Hercek is steel joint
black boar is ivory over stainless
and I have some flat face ivory as well.
All play great
black boar is ivory over stainless
and I have some flat face ivory as well.
All play great
Cue balance is individual to each cue regardless of the joint material - of hundreds of cues that have passed through my hands - Richard Black and Tim Scruggs SS jointed cues were my most evenly balanced cues. Some forearm woods like ebony are very dense and can be very forward balanced without a SS joint.
My first quality cue was a 1980's Meucci Original with an flat faced implex join and a soft, silky smooth hit. Many years later I purchased a 2005 Schon with a piloted SS joint. The hit was a much stiffer ping which grew on me. So when I commissioned my custom Gilbert cue, I asked him to go with the same 5/16 x 14 piloted SS join instead of his usual flat faced ivory joint. 18 years later, the Gilbert is still my main playing cue, and the Meucci is now used by my better half when we go shoot at our local pool hall.
Type of joint has nothing to do with the hit. Balance point? Yeah but the joint doesn't dictate the 'hit'.
I have 4 playing cues.
Different joint,tips and pin on all 4.
They all feel about the same to me.
I just screw them together and play pool.
Both cues use pro-tapers, so not sure what else to consider.
No. They are not as pretty imo. I personally never noticed any balance differences when I played one 20 years ago. But that’s true of any cue I’ve had.
Wood to wood has more power….7 to 12% more according to Iron Willy….so my snooker cues and carom cues were always wood to wood….I knew it by feel long before Alan McCarty gave those stats.
But my two favorite pool cues are SS…..I hate the hit of ivory…but I had a Tad with an ivory ferrule that broke great.
But my two favorite pool cues are SS…..I hate the hit of ivory…but I had a Tad with an ivory ferrule that broke great.
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ss joint has nothing to do with balance. any decent cue maker that uses one, balances the cue to the correct point. for most cues it has traditionally been on third of the way up from the butt.
if he made it forward heavy without it being requested that way, shows his lack of understanding or caring for the customer.
i still like ss and even better a brass joint. i have other joints as well from accumulation but not for me overall.
if he made it forward heavy without it being requested that way, shows his lack of understanding or caring for the customer.
i still like ss and even better a brass joint. i have other joints as well from accumulation but not for me overall.
You have great taste; of course, everyone usually has a preference.
Are all the cue butts & cue playing weights identical for all your cues?
Any chance some of these shafts & butts differ and are lighter or heavier?
was waiting for you to weigh in when I saw a post about someone hating ivory. I know your Runde Schon is SS and you used it for years, what did change your mind? As always appreciate your friendship, someday!
Close to, yes. Every cue I ordered is 19oz.
Most of my 3/8-10 have a fairly muted hit, which I always loved. The Schulers have an even more muted hit. Ray did all the right things.
That said, my Tasc isn’t muted. It sings. First cue I can ever say that. So totally different feel. The most muted is the Schuler, which is not 3/8-10 flat faced. Tascarella on the other hand has the most amazing feedback.
When I ordered that cue in 1984, players were using cues that were mid-19 ozs and heavier. 20 and 21 oz. cues
were common. The pool tables of the 60’s and 70’s, remember I started playing in 1960-61, used different cloths
than today. The tables played slower and I don’t know much about the elasticity of the rubber used for the rails.
It just seemed like it took more stroke to move the cue ball around. My Runde Schon weighs 20.5 ozs but I would
adjusr my grip and reposition my hand for the shot based on any English I might want to use. One thing I learned
real fast. My follow, stop, stun and draw strokes were better than with a lighter cue, However, horizontal English
suffered versus a lighter cue that was fine using vertical English but far superior applying horizontal English. 2 ozs.
wt. difference is huge to my way of thinking. Maybe if my cue was 18.5 ozs., rather than 20.5 ozs., I’d still use it.
Most players are uninformed about their pool cues weight ratio or just don’t think it matters.
I submit the validity of its importance is overwhelmingly illustrated and corroborated by the
pool cues made by the greatest names in cue making over the past 60-70 years. My own
conversations with cue makers over the years also confirms this as sort of a guiding principle.
I submit the validity of its importance is overwhelmingly illustrated and corroborated by the
pool cues made by the greatest names in cue making over the past 60-70 years. My own
conversations with cue makers over the years also confirms this as sort of a guiding principle.
Ivory sleeved stainless has always made me wonder if there is a reason other than looks, also curious about some preference of short sleeved stainless over what would be considered standard. I think DS is known for the SS version. Maybe Dennis will interject.
I had a debate with someine on the Forum a long time ago about that very point. It involved Tascarella cues.
They say Paul Mottey made the best piloted ivory joint cues. I owned one for several years and it played as
nice as any of my other cues. I traded it to get my Prewitt cue and have zero regrets with making the deal. If
I had a Tascarella cue built, I would not get a sleeved ivory joint. Others might feel differently but it’s not for me.