Over Under on US Open entrants

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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I don't think think there is enough demand for the qualifier model to fill the US Open to 256 spots. For each 32 player qualifier, 2 spots are filled. There is a qualifier in Philadelphia that is not getting much interest and has been advertised for months. I see a couple others on FB also not getting much interest. IDK if each will even get 32 players.

In 2023 there were 128 players on the bracket (I just counted now on the WNT live scores site)
*Edit, I counted wrong, there were 256 in 2023.

In 2024 I believe its the 100 (or 128, I forget) tour holding members, plus the rest from qualifiers up to 256.

I'm putting the over/under of players that are on the MR bracket come start time at 140.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I don't think think there is enough demand for the qualifier model to fill the US Open to 256 spots. For each 32 player qualifier, 2 spots are filled. There is a qualifier in Philadelphia that is not getting much interest and has been advertised for months. I see a couple others on FB also not getting much interest. IDK if each will even get 32 players.

In 2023 there were 128 players on the bracket (I just counted now on the WNT live scores site)

In 2024 I believe its the 100 (or 128, I forget) tour holding members, plus the rest from qualifiers up to 256.

I'm putting the over/under of players that are on the MR bracket come start time at 140.
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iirc there were 128 seeded players last year. another 128 made up rest for a total of 256. not correct? i counted 128 matches in first round for 256 total. are you saying 140 total or just those signed on with the WNT? not real clear in what you're saying.
 
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There are 128 official tour pros. I'll bet some can't make it, maybe 10. I imagine that there will be 30 who get in by the qualifiers. There will be 25 in the "other" categories, like wildcards and possibly previous winners. My guess is 173, so I'll take the over.
 
You guys don't think MR will open it up to fill the 256 field? I doubt MR wants a bunch of byes so i'm guessing that if they see the qualy's aren't looking great they'll open it up to anyone with the entry fee. I'd definitely bet over 140. Is the window open?? ;)
 
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Is this a cultural thing? There are quite a few more qualifiers listed for the European open in Germany alone. Is qualifying for something more normal for euros than for Americans?
 
stewie said:
Is this a cultural thing? There are quite a few more qualifiers listed for the European open in Germany alone. Is qualifying for something more normal for euros than for Americans?
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America does not have a federal education standard.

The USOP is more of a pay to play team that is self funded for most US based athletes.

Yes Americans are more of a Wyatt Earp or Dirty Harry attitude than the European style of mass deployment of uniform training.

The depth of American players is not displayed in most matches. Most would consider the 1v1 challenge or 1vWorld challenge, as opposed a standardized rating measurement.
 
I've seen countless events popping up from various FB feeds.

Typically the advertisements list 2 qualifiers based on 32. 4 qualifiers from a field of 64.

There was a qualifier an hour from me last weekend. 2 from that event. I'm registered for another in July. Again about an hour away. That will likely produce another 2.

On the unlikely chance they don't fill the draw with qualifiers. I'd expect MR to use the player list from last year and start making calls.
 
The_JV said:
I've seen countless events popping up from various FB feeds.

Typically the advertisements list 2 qualifiers based on 32. 4 qualifiers from a field of 64.

There was a qualifier an hour from me last weekend. 2 from that event. I'm registered for another in July. Again about an hour away. That will likely produce another 2.

On the unlikely chance they don't fill the draw with qualifiers. I'd expect MR to use the player list from last year and start making calls.
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Were/are any of those (Canadian?) qualifiers listed on the Matchroompool.com website? Currently there are only 12 listed total and only one in Canada at Petrina's Billiards in Ontario.
 
Guys, sorry, I totally blew the count. I just went again after reading the replies to the players list of the 2023 US Open, and there were indeed 256 players. I figured out what I did earlier today was click at the very top of the webpage (while in the 2023 US Open section) where it says "players" and counted those. There are 128 in that section. I thought it was taking me to the players from the single 2023 US Open event, but instead, it is a global site link that took me to the 2024 "tour card" players.
 
The_JV said:
I've seen countless events popping up from various FB feeds.

Typically the advertisements list 2 qualifiers based on 32. 4 qualifiers from a field of 64.

There was a qualifier an hour from me last weekend. 2 from that event. I'm registered for another in July. Again about an hour away. That will likely produce another 2.

On the unlikely chance they don't fill the draw with qualifiers. I'd expect MR to use the player list from last year and start making calls.
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Yes, that format is set by MR. 2 qualify from every 32 players.

What I think will happen (that I read happened for the UK Open), is if/when it does not fill, MR will invite those who played in the qualifiers, but did not win/qualify.
 
Ok, now that I got the count right at 256 from 2023, and confirmed in 2024 there are 128 "tour card members", my new prediction for total entries in 2024 is:

148.
 
The players that have historically entered the US Open in the past 20 years when the entry varied between $500-1000, were players doing it for the experience. Now, those same players would have to put up $200 range for a local qualifier, and play pretty much Open/ lower level pro speed to place top 2/4 in one. Those players doing it for the experience simply won't enter those qualifiers, IMO.
 
are all the qualifier spots supposed to be filled by americans? no qualifiers in asia, europe, south america?
 
iusedtoberich said:
Ok, now that I got the count right at 256 from 2023, and confirmed in 2024 there are 128 "tour card members", my new prediction for total entries in 2024 is:

148.
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i still don't think MR will allow such a small field. too many byes and bad 'optics'. as the event gets closer don't be surprised if they open up entries to fill it. maybe not but i think they will. iirc part of their hotel deal is how many rooms they sell. just don't see them reducing the field to 150ish.
 
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And don't forget: the qualified don't pay the full entry of 750(?). If they let non-qualified in for that money later, then the qualified still have a benefit over them.
 
garczar said:
i still don't think MR will allow such a small field.
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Me neither. As we've seen in the past, the demand for spots in the US Open has always exceeded the supply. Many of the dead money players know they don't play well enough to earn a spot through a qualifier, but if they are given an opportunity to sign up, they will.

I'd guess that most of the Top 100 American players (meaning Fargo 727+) don't have spots in the US Open but most would take them if offered.

As you've noted, the business model is, at least in part, driven by the number of hotel nights that Matchroom can give Harrah's, so it makes sense that Matchroom will do what it takes to fill the field.
 
stewie said:
And don't forget: the qualified don't pay the full entry of 750(?). If they let non-qualified in for that money later, then the qualified still have a benefit over them.
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Could be all wet but i just don't see MR going from full fields of 256 down to 150ish for various reasons as i already stated.
 
Yeah, I agree with you all that MR will do their best to fill it up. But it won't be from qualifiers actually qualifying, 2 per 32, IMO.

If DCC had the same entry system (without the 128 guaranteed tour spots), lets say $30 per qualifying tourney entry, I think there would be 150 total players, instead of 500.
 
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