State Open Tournaments?

garczar said:
Same age-old question pops up: HOW do you define a "PRO"?? I know guys that are under 650 that make most of their living $$ playing pool so are they 'PRO'?? If doing rated you either have to OPEN TO ALL or cap it. simple as that. As far as entry fees go i'd say 200MAX preferrably less. That being said some of these big FR split field events are getting 500-1000buck fee's.
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I know a guy who has finally made it to over 500 Fargo. He goes to weekly tournaments pays entry fee and just shoots balls around the table. If he draws a kid or a lady he always lets them win. However the dude plays good. Once in a while he will actually try and win the tournament. He probably plays close to 680 speed. I’ve known him since he was a kid and he used to win a lot of decent sized tournaments back before Fargo. Now he just tries to buy someone in the Calcutta and see if they can win.

A couple months we were at a tournament and he bought a guy in the Calcutta for a rather large amount. The guy went 2 and out, so the guy just put in some effort and went on to win the tournament himself to get his money back. I think most places around here that started to use Fargo have stopped using it again.
 
They are having a state 10 ball tournament in 2 weeks a couple hrs from my house with a 600 and under division limited to 64 players and an open division limited to 32 players. $60 entry unfortunately due to health issues I can’t play
 
couldnthinkof01 said:
Sounds like you've never been to Vegas for bca,apa,CSI, tap, Acs national tournament. Those idiots show up in droves to make nothing.
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They do it for social reasons.

I went to once for APA masters. The only time I played league. Nobody would gamble at all except one guy. We murdered each other playing winner break 9 ball on Valleys...mostly 7 to 1 or 7 to 2. Switched to alternating break. We probably killed our own action if there was aby because people were definitely watching. Played 3 days and I came out a couple thousand ahead after playing dozens of sets.

I tried to get Jeanette Lee to play me one game of 8 ball for $100 and I even offerred the break. She declined. She was running a line of people for $20 signed pictures with Robin Dodson and her husband.
 
SBC said:
They do it for social reasons.

I went to once for APA masters. The only time I played league. Nobody would gamble at all except one guy. We murdered each other playing winner break 9 ball on Valleys...mostly 7 to 1 or 7 to 2. Switched to alternating break. We probably killed our own action if there was aby because people were definitely watching. Played 3 days and I came out a couple thousand ahead after playing dozens of sets.

I tried to get Jeanette Lee to play me one game of 8 ball for $100 and I even offerred the break. She declined. She was running a line of people for $20 signed pictures with Robin Dodson and her husband.
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That was my point. Most tournaments pay one or two players enough to wet their beak for a few days. The rest are in the red.
The majority don't go to these things to make money.
$125 with 64 players should be no problem to fill.
 
couldnthinkof01 said:
That was my point. Most tournaments pay one or two players enough to wet their beak for a few days. The rest are in the red.
The majority don't go to these things to make money.
$125 with 64 players should be no problem to fill.
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I have gone to some lame events and had the best times.

Barbox tournament in PA....played a guy race to 2 nine ball for $20 for 4 hours. Best game ever. Constant pressure because you either need one or two games and so does the other guy. Won a few hundred and had so much fun.

Sadly pool almost dead for me. I just played an hour on my 9 foot Diamond in a 95 degeee garage. Didn't sweat a drop!
Still play good....just to do it.

I may travel to DCC if im not working in January...with literally almost no chance of cashing. Maybe the barbox event in PA around Thansgiving.
 
SBC said:
I have gone to some lame events and had the best times.

Barbox tournament in PA....played a guy race to 2 nine ball for $20 for 4 hours. Best game ever. Constant pressure because you either need one or two games and so does the other guy. Won a few hundred and had so much fun.

Sadly pool almost dead for me. I just played an hour on my 9 foot Diamond in a 95 degeee garage. Didn't sweat a drop!
Still play good....just to do it.

I may travel to DCC if im not working in January...with literally almost no chance of cashing. Maybe the barbox event in PA around Thansgiving.
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The first post was my shit attempt at being tongue and cheek.
The guy said nobody would show up for that money, I believe very few show up for the money.

Life is short. Enjoy what time you have while you can. Even if it means banging them around in the garage like a madman in 100° heat🤣
 
garczar said:
Same age-old question pops up: HOW do you define a "PRO"?? I know guys that are under 650 that make most of their living $$ playing pool so are they 'PRO'?? If doing rated you either have to OPEN TO ALL or cap it. simple as that. As far as entry fees go i'd say 200MAX preferrably less. That being said some of these big FR split field events are getting 500-1000buck fee's.
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Our TDs are knowledgeable and they will be familiar with some sandbagging pros.
 
sparkle84 said:
The highlighted does not exist. Unless you can come up with a way to convince 40-50 players to put up $125 plus spend another $50-$75 for gas, food, drink, etc. when there's no chance of any reward, you are dead in the water.
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The highlighted item could be made feasible. I have a meeting with a (new to us) good hall this week, to discuss them adding the $1000 without dipping into our sponsor dollars, considering they will benefit from players using table time, food, and beverage services during the tournament weekend.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Our TDs are knowledgeable and they will be familiar with some sandbagging pros.
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I'm not talking about sandbagging. What i was trying to get across is there is really no way to accurately label a player as a PRO. Professional just means that's what someone does for a living. I know a few guys that are under 650 that are killing it playing FR doubles events. One pair has made over 60k this yr just playing those events. You'll have to decide what FR level would be considered as PRO for tournament play.
 
I used to play competitive table tennis and the USTTA has an interesting ladder format. They have an open tournament with different rungs and each rung has a final with a winner and a runner. At the highest level there's the open. People can only sing up at a rung at their level and above.

So, an open tournament will need to have several levels, say 100 thru 800 Fargo rate. I'm probably about 450 so I can sign up for 500, 600, 700, 800 and Open. That way I can challenge anyone at my level and maybe one or two levels above.
I'll maybe have a reasonably good chance at winning the under 500 rating and I can try my skill against players up to 600 or maybe even 700. It's worth it if each run is, say, $25 entry fee. I might have an unlikely chance at 600 and I'll lose pretty badly against 700 but I don't mind putting up $25 if I'm there anyway that day.

The winner at each rung level will get a trophy and a prize. The size of the trophy and the payment goes up exponentially with the ratings. Under 100 might get $20 for the winner and $10 for the runner and open winner might get up to $500 or even $1000.
That way no one is cannon fodder and everyone gets to play against opponents of their choosing.
 
garczar said:
I'm not talking about sandbagging. What i was trying to get across is there is really no way to accurately label a player as a PRO. Professional just means that's what someone does for a living. I know a few guys that are under 650 that are killing it playing FR doubles events. One pair has made over 60k this yr just playing those events. You'll have to decide what FR level would be considered as PRO for tournament play.
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A tiered structure into regional / state / nationals, with top finishers of one year not having to qualify through the level below again would make this fairer to the ones qualifying through the lower tier. Also, if this would be more for the title than the money, so be it. Maybe FR should not matter at all. Or you could exclude whoever is a WNT member, for example.
 
stewie said:
A tiered structure into regional / state / nationals, with top finishers of one year not having to qualify through the level below again would make this fairer to the ones qualifying through the lower tier. Also, if this would be more for the title than the money, so be it. Maybe FR should not matter at all. Or you could exclude whoever is a WNT member, for example.
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Here's one idea aka 'wild ass guess': take the top 100 WNT pros and find their avg. FR. Whatever that number is would be a PRO. Just a an idea.
 
Black-Balled said:
How many big events have you played in?
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As many as I can. Too many to count.
Black balled you are in the Virginia area, if I'm not mistaking you with another black ball. We've met in a tournament at First Break café one time.

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RafaReyes said:
As many as I can. Too many to count.
Black balled you are in the Virginia area, if I'm not mistaking you with another black ball. We've met in a tournament at First Break café one time.

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Sure...we been together a lot and i think we know each other.

But really, bigger than apt events, how many for you?
 
Black-Balled said:
Sure...we been together a lot and i think we know each other.

But really, bigger than apt events, how many for you?
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My most recent open tournament was the B&L Open 10 ball championship in Maryland in June 9th, followed by the US Open Qualifier in Breakers Sky Lounge, VA, approx 2 weeks ago. I always stay local as I have no time to travel for pool tournaments.

My current Fargo is 660, but always willing to play anyone even on any open tournament. I actually detest Fargo rating and handicaps. I have days where I play like a 500 Fargo or days where I play like a 800 pro.

Not sure how your question relates to the topic my fellow pool player.

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RafaReyes said:
My most recent open tournament was the B&L Open 10 ball championship in Maryland in June 9th, followed by the US Open Qualifier in Breakers Sky Lounge, VA, approx 2 weeks ago. I always stay local as I have no time to travel for pool tournaments.

My current Fargo is 660, but always willing to play anyone even on any open tournament. I actually detest Fargo rating and handicaps. I have days where I play like a 500 Fargo or days where I play like a 800 pro.

Not sure how your question relates to the topic my fellow pool player.

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Thanks, man.

It relates as it indicates perspective on the matter, as influenced by skill level.

Players often say they'd compete as often as possible against better players, yet fail to acknowledge they actually only accept the dog role when it is acceptable to them.
 
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