How to win in 10-ball?

[sjm]

That's been the WPA rule for yrs. Their new website blows but that's the WPA way, 10b last(rule 9.8). Just another reason for me to dislike these tools.

Yes, and to quote from Rule 9.8 found on the WPA website:

"If a player nominates and legally pockets the ten ball prior to the ten ball being the last remaining ball, the ten ball is re-spotted and the shooter continues, while pocketing the ten ball as a final ball at the table, he wins the rack. "

As noted, this rule is usually referred to as "ten ball last." I'm not a fan of this rule, but it is the rule.

The first time I ever saw "ten ball last" in effect was before it became the WPA tournament rule. In what I believe was the 2016 Derby City Classic, in the action room. Dennis Orcullo bet high against some railbirds that he could beat the ghost in a race to eleven playing the "ten ball last" version of the game. Dennis won the set against the ghost quite easily. The ghost never had a chance!

 

[ShootingArts]

"If a player nominates and legally pockets the ten ball prior to the ten ball being the last remaining ball, the ten ball is re-spotted and the shooter continues, while pocketing the ten ball as a final ball at the table, he wins the rack. "

Stu, I assume you still have to hit the lowest numbered ball first but to be crystal clear, when you nominate the ten ball early, do you still have to hit the lowest ball on the table first?

Just trying to understand WPA rules for some reason I can't imagine!

Hu

 

[sjm]

Stu, I assume you still have to hit the lowest numbered ball first but to be crystal clear, when you nominate the ten ball early, do you still have to hit the lowest ball on the table first?

Yes, otherwise the ten ball has not been legally pocketed.

 

[Double-Dave]

The actual rule is, perhaps, a little obscure, but it is there. Read the section in the rules of 10-ball under "Continuing Play".

Thank you Bob!

 

[Double-Dave]

Make the ten ball LAST on a legal called shot. If 10ball is made(legally) earlier it spots as shown in that video of Filler. If its pocketed illegally it spots and incoming player can make you shoot again. No offense but what is puzzling you?

No offense taken.

If you read the 9-ball rules, blackball rules and the 8-ball rules the very first article of those rules describes very broadly how the game is played *and* how the game is won. The 10-ball rules don't have that.

 

[Bob Jewett]

No offense taken.

If you read the 9-ball rules, blackball rules and the 8-ball rules the very first article of those rules describes very broadly how the game is played *and* how the game is won. The 10-ball rules don't have that.

They should. I'll see what I can do.

 

[Bavafongoul]

Can the ten be called and made to keep the run and spotted after the inning, or immediately after the shot?

In a cash ring game it always is, along with the 5 ball, when pocketed out of sequence
and a player called the shot. A 10 ball is usually twice the dollar amount of the 5 ball.

 

[maha]

problem is that people seem to think they have to play by rules that some tournament or organization makes up for their own benefit.

play by the common and common sense rules.

ten ball made last is for top pro's in tournaments . and no one except them should that rule should apply.

 

[boogieman]

There's really only three main variations: WPA(10b last), modified WPA where 10b can be made early and good 'ol DerbyCity Bigfoot which is basically texas-express 9ball rules. There is one i left out, the horrible 10ball last-call shot/call safe version. In this turd of a game there are no two-way shots, if you miss and hook the guy he can make you shoot again. Luckily no tournament/tour of any size uses it. The NYC Predator 10b Tour used to use it and its horrible. Almost as boring as Heyball and that's saying something.

I tied for 4th/5th in a local 10B tournament. 10B last and it was disgusting. Most people could only make about 3 shots in a row so the game consisted of shooting 1 ball off and playing safe. It was pathetic how long the tournament and matches lasted. I was out of there at about 1:30AM and I heard it lasted until almost 5AM.

I promised myself that it is the last 10B last tournament I would play in. Then the town leagues that rotate games decided they wanted to play that way so I dipped out of the next season.

I can understand pros playing under that condition (though it's still boring) but for amateurs it's silly. They can't run a rack of 9B and somehow think 10B is their game. "Less luck" they say as I play a 2 way that leaves them in jail. Whoops, I got a lucky roll. I get the no slop thing, but there is still a tremendous amount of luck in 10B, if you are the type to believe in luck.

 

[boogieman]

Just American 3ball. Different variations, common bar table game. Take too long to explain in text. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-ball We usually lined them up, makes it harder to make an 'ace'. some of the 'ace' pots i've seen have been over 5-6grand.

At about 13 years old I remember we used to play it for nickels. Me and a friend would actually take in pop cans to get about a dollar each to play this. We usually had about 5 or 6 players. One time I won something like $3.45 in nickels!

It ain't much but man can that 3 ball game get wild.

 

[Bavafongoul]

problem is that people seem to think they have to play by rules that some tournament or organization makes up for their own benefit.

play by the common and common sense rules.

ten ball made last is for top pro's in tournaments . and no one except them should that rule should apply.

For expediency, You are absolutely right. In a tournament field, it speeds things up.
However for 1 on 1 match play, I much prefer the 10 Ball shortened format of 14.1.

When you can’t run 10 balls or what your opponent leaves you with, short cuts like
a combo 10 can help you win some games or finish quicker but running 10 is harder.

But again, when you have a lot of games to play, like in a tournament field, combo 10
ball is almost mandatory because games will take longer, especially with varying skills.

 

[garczar]

No offense taken.

If you read the 9-ball rules, blackball rules and the 8-ball rules the very first article of those rules describes very broadly how the game is played *and* how the game is won. The 10-ball rules don't have that.

whatever brother, in WPA 10b the rules are as me, Bob and others have said. i agree their new site is horrible. par for their course. a-holes.

 

[ShootingArts]

Yes, otherwise the ten ball has not been legally pocketed.

Thank you! I hate making assumptions about the simplest things then finding they are wrong. When I see them spotting the ten on a legal shot and the player continuing I will understand why.

Hu

 

[garczar]

IMO DCC rules are great for that bigass 10ft'r. On a 9ft i like modified-WPA where you can win on a legal/called carom/combo. 10b last is just not fun and you lose a lot of excitement. I've played a couple barbox 10b tourn's where it was 9b rules except you had to call the 10b. Worked fine and matches went fast.

 

[Flakeandrun]

IMO DCC rules are great for that bigass 10ft'r. On a 9ft i like modified-WPA where you can win on a legal/called carom/combo. 10b last is just not fun and you lose a lot of excitement. I've played a couple barbox 10b tourn's where it was 9b rules except you had to call the 10b. Worked fine and matches went fast.

Minus the BB, I like the sound of the call 10ball only in a smaller more social tournament. Might recommend a little weekend tourney with that.

 

[sudocrushms]

Don't understand the point of allowing early 10s. Just play 9b then...
10b is my preferred game: call pocket, no early 10s. Break is tougher, layouts are usually tougher, no quick out.
Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment.

 

[Flakeandrun]

Don't understand the point of allowing early 10s. Just play 9b then...
10b is my preferred game: call pocket, no early 10s. Break is tougher, layouts are usually tougher, no quick out.
Maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment.

The break is far easier than MR format.
Totally agree with the rest of what you said.

 

[sjm]

Don't understand the point of allowing early 10s.

Early tens were allowed for over fifty years. The real question is "why was it changed?" and the answer is that WPA has never been good at standardizing rules. The difference between nine ball and ten ball in recent times was just call shot and the different break,

The "ten ball last" rule is a new addition and has made ten ball worse, not better.

 

[sudocrushms]

The break is far easier than MR format.
Totally agree with the rest of what you said.

You mean the 9 on the foot spot?
I think with how much softer a 9-ball rack is it's easier to get a good spread and the 1 is pretty easy to make with a cut break and not much power. Harder to make the 9, but easier overall. The room for error to put the 1 in seems to be less with 10b. Just my experience though.

 

[Flakeandrun]

You mean the 9 on the foot spot?

High 9, breaking from the box. Cutting the one ball and pulling the cueball back into the pack

I think with how much softer a 9-ball rack is it's easier to get a good spread and the 1 is pretty easy to make with a cut break and not much power. Harder to make the 9, but easier overall. The room for error to put the 1 in seems to be less with 10b. Just my experience though.

I'm not trying to put the one in the side in 10ball, the two balls behind the one go every time, and you can squat the ball for a look at the one in the top corner very repeatably.