SJM at the 2024 Mosconi Cup

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After nine days of sweating the International in St Augustine, I drove to Orlando for the Mosconi, hoping that I had four more days of endurance in me, knowing I’d be in a shambles after thirteen days of sweating pool.

I will omit the Mosconi Cup match details as they have been covered in other Mosconi Cup threads. I will focus on the ebbs and flows of the play and on what it was like to attend the event.

Saturday, November 30
The Mosconi kicked off and, as always, the team match was first. When SVB and Gorst fell in the first two racks, Team Europe cruised to victory.

In match two, Shaw and Alcaide were solid in topping Woodward and Thorpe. Styer secured the first USA point by topping Mickey Krause. FSR and Kaci then played brilliantly to dismiss SVB and Gorst, giving Europe a 3-1 lead. Woodward’s win over Kaci in the day’s final match kept things close, and Europe slept on a 3-2 lead.

I was hard pressed to recall the last time that Team USA won the first two single matches of a Mosconi Cup, but it has been a while.

Sunday, 12/1
Day 2 opened with another team match, which was not to my liking. The value of the team match on day one is that it introduces the ten participants at once, but it is hardly necessary on Day 2. Team USA prevailed to tie the Mosconi at 3-3. Shaw beat Gorst quite easily to give Europe a 4-3 lead, but Styer and Thorpe managed a big point to tie things at 4-4. FSR, with something close to perfect play, had a dominant win over SVB, so Europe regained the lead. With a chance to tie things up at 5-5, Team USA had a 4-3 lead in Match 10, but lost a safety battle, begun by Woodward, for double hill, and then Fedor scratched on the break, leading to a runout by Alcaide and Kaci. Europe 6, USA 4.

As close as the match seemed, it was hard to ignore that Fedor and Shane were contributing almost nothing to the Team USA cause. Woodward, as usual, was looking solid, and Tyler Styer was overachieving, arguably the main reason the Mosconi was still competitive. Thorpe looked a bit overmatched out there, but played well with Styer as his partner in Match 8.

I feel that, as a rule, in the many Mosconi Cups that I have attended, fans were rowdy but tended to shut up once players were over the shot, This was most definitely not the case on this day of competition, and the number of times that American fans made noise and comments while a European player was already over the shot was, quite frankly, embarrassing, There was also more than a little profanity. I am glad that the fans are this invested in the event, but as a fan of Team USA, this is not how I wanted to win. As we all remember, Michaela Tabb, in this type of situation, would stop a match completely and make announcements to the audience that such behavior would not be tolerated but this year’s referees let most of it go, never pausing the shot clock, and thereby robbing the Mosconi of some of its competitive integrity. I was hoping for, but not expecting better on Day 3.

Monday, 12/2
Day 3 opened, inexplicably, with a Team Match for the third day in a row, won handily by Team USA, but the fortunes of Team America took a dive after that. Krause had been weak on the first two days, but played well as he and FSR manhandled SVB and Woodward. Thorpe had his chances against Alcaide, but was not up to the challenge. Styer continued to play quite well as he and Gorst took on Kaci and FSR, but Fedor didn’t play well and Europe got the point. At 9-5, the play was, mercifully, stopped for the day.

SVB and Gorst had contributed nothing to this point, and when your best players aren’t contributing at all, your chances are very slight.

I must take note that the play of FSR in this Mosconi, through three days, was some of the finest I have ever seen at a Mosconi Cup. David Alcaide was consistently outstanding, too, as was Jayson Shaw.

Ony the most delusional would deny the difference in class between the two teams at this point. The formula for victory now came down to this: Team USA would have to win six matches out of seven to prevail.

Finally, the crowd was far better behaved on Day 3 than on Day 2, with far less sharking of players who were already down on the shot.

Tuesday, 12/3
Day 4, as usual, was to be one of indeterminate length, as the Mosconi Cup could have possibly ended in just two matches. The day kicked off with Woodward vs Shaw, the match postponed from Day 3 and Shaw cruised with outstanding play 5-0.

Next came a very strange affair between Gorst and Krause, in which Fedor led 4-0 before growing weak and before he knew it, the match found its way to double hill. Fedor seemed on route to a runout but hung the four ball. After a fine masse to pocket it by Krause, Mickey double hit the cue ball as he pocketed the five- ball. Gorst’s runout kept the Mosconi going, with Europe leading 10-6. Next came a good one between Woodward and FSR, hard fought and well played up to double hill, but FSR broke and ran to end the match and the Mosconi. Europe 11 USA 6. I was surprised that Shaw was named MVP, feeling that FSR had played better pool than Jayson, but props to both of them.

Socially
The biggest social moment for me came on the eve of the Mosconi at the BCA Hall of Fame dinner, where I probably caught up with 100 different people I knew.

One of them was Emily Frazer, with whom I chatted just briefly. I offered that while we are at a very stressful juncture in our sport, it in no way obscures the continuous growth and improvement of the WNT and I congratulated her on Matchroom’s accomplishments in 2024, wishing her continued success. Emily was cordial and thanked me for my feedback.

During the Mosconi itself, I had four different seats for the four different days and luck was with me as all the people with whom I sat were delightful, some of them American fans and some of them European fans.

Assessing the Production Itself
Matchroom arenas are always excellent, but the Mosconi arena is always one of a kind. The one in Orlando was just fantastic, a scaled down version of the incomparable arena at Alexandra Palace, the London home of the Mosconi Cup. Thousands of vocal fans brought the customary vibe to the proceedings. Arena music was great, featuring the usual fan favorites but also featuring some great country music, to the delight of the many southerners in attendance. Even I was singing along to Garth Brooks, and that was way out of character for this New York senior citizen.

Finally, player introductions and post-match interviews were excellent, and special effects in the arena were impressive.

The Rasson table in use played true, although it was very slick, causing players to overshoot position on many occasions. Still, the table was fair. As is well known, I do not like pockets this tight, but they were no tighter for Team USA than for Team Europe. Still, they played quite a bit tighter than the stream table in use at the Hanoi Open, which had given me hope that things might be improving.

Referees did good work at the table, although their management of the crowd was less than exemplary, as on far too many occasions, crowd members sharked players that were already over the shot without even the slightest reprimand.

The Hotel
The Caribe Royale hotel was outstanding, with great rooms and facilities and a great convention center. Although food options were limited, it is one of the better hotels to which my travels as a pool fan have taken me, although Turning Stone remains my favorite.

Conclusion
At Matchroom, they have the Mosconi Cup production down to a science, delivering year after year. 2024 was no exception, and everyone at Matchroom has a lot to be proud of after another great event.

If you have never attended a Mosconi Cup, I hope you are afforded the opportunity to do so one day, for as hard as I try to describe it, until you have experienced the buzz that is the Mosconi Cup, you will not fully understand it.
 
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Thanks for the trip report. Watching it virtually, it was amazing to see. I saw you one time in the audience sitting near Mickey Krause's lady and Jason Shaw's sister. The cameras panned in on quite a few folks I recognized, including you, of course.

That last day, Team USA was picking up speed and gave me a wee bit of hope, but it just wasn't in the cards for Americans to win this time.

The venue looked beautiful.
 
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I actually liked the team matches and was disappointed there wasn't one on day 4.

It makes it feel like what it is, a team event.

Also, this way we get to see every player every day.

JMHO
 
Stu I saw you! Pretty cool.

I did see all the matches, actully I didn’t Shaw hit a ball. I looked at the stats and FSR put up some good numbers as well. Seemed close looking at the numbers. Was Shaw the clear MVP? Or was it close? Some years it’s super clear, others not so clear.

What did I miss?

See you soon at Derby
Fatboy 😃
 
Stu I saw you! Pretty cool.

I did see all the matches, actully I didn’t Shaw hit a ball. I looked at the stats and FSR put up some good numbers as well. Seemed close looking at the numbers. Was Shaw the clear MVP? Or was it close? Some years it’s super clear, others not so clear.

What did I miss?

See you soon at Derby
Fatboy 😃

i think shaw played one match more than FSR, that's how he got it and not fran
 
Matchroom used the team-game format for the first three days of the four-day Reyes cup. It was viewed as a big success and MR announced weeks ago that the same format would be used at this year's Mosconi. It was not a surprise.

Some, like me, love it. Others like SJM, do not. But it seems MR is going to use this format going forward.

Emily said Shaw asked her to get the refs to quiet the crowd down a bit before shots, but Frazier told him that the crowds in London did the same thing to the American players. She told Shaw he just never noticed it until he got some of it back in spades from the American fans. Shaw apparently nodded to her in acknowledgment, at least according to her.

So Emily evidently instructed the refs not to make a huge effort to silence the crowd except in the most obvious situations.
 
Stu I saw you! Pretty cool.

I did see all the matches, actully I didn’t Shaw hit a ball. I looked at the stats and FSR put up some good numbers as well. Seemed close looking at the numbers. Was Shaw the clear MVP? Or was it close? Some years it’s super clear, others not so clear.

What did I miss?

See you soon at Derby
Fatboy 😃
It was a close choice. But Shaw being Shaw along with beating Sky5-0 the last day clinched it.
 
Agree that FSR should have won MVP over Shaw.
According to Shaw, MR used tiebreaker of racks differential (racks won %) in singles only. Shaw had better rack differential 10 to 2 or 83% racks won (beat Sky 5-0 and Gorst 5-2) while FSR was 10 to 5 or 67% racks won (beat SVB 5-1 and Sky 5-4).
But IMHO, the tiebreaker should be match won % first before racks won %.
If tiebreaker was match won %. FSR would have won cos has was also undefeated in doubles (100% match won) while Shaw won lost 1 doubles only won 2 out of 3 doubles (67% match won).
Also FR had tougher doubles opponents than Shaw all 800+ (SVB/Sky in one match and Gorst/SVB in other).
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Matchroom used the team-game format for the first three days of the four-day Reyes cup. It was viewed as a big success and MR announced weeks ago that the same format would be used at this year's Mosconi. It was not a surprise.

Some, like me, love it. Others like SJM, do not. But it seems MR is going to use this format going forward.

Emily said Shaw asked her to get the refs to quiet the crowd down a bit before shots, but Frazier told him that the crowds in London did the same thing to the American players. She told Shaw he just never noticed it until he got some of it back in spades from the American fans. Shaw apparently nodded to her in acknowledgment, at least according to her.

So Emily evidently instructed the refs not to make a huge effort to silence the crowd except in the most obvious situations.
I too like the team match every day, but the Euros have never yelled during the actual shots(or were quieted quickly). Emily is flat wrong here
 
Shaw probably got MVP because he was also the captain, but FSR was virtually flawless. Captaincy aside, he was clearly the best player on team Euro. Not by much, but he was.
 
After nine days of sweating the International in St Augustine, I drove to Orlando for the Mosconi, hoping that I had four more days of endurance in me, knowing I’d be in a shambles after thirteen days of sweating pool.

I will omit the Mosconi Cup match details as they have been covered in other Mosconi Cup threads. I will focus on the ebbs and flows of the play and on what it was like to attend the event.

Saturday, November 30
The Mosconi kicked off and, as always, the team match was first. When SVB and Gorst fell in the first two racks, Team Europe cruised to victory.

In match two, Shaw and Alcaide were solid in topping Woodward and Thorpe. Styer secured the first USA point by topping Mickey Krausse. FSR and Kaci then played brilliantly to dismiss SVB and Gorst, giving Europe a 3-1 lead. Woodward’s win over Kaci in the day’s final match kept things close, and Europe slept on a 3-2 lead.

I was hard pressed to recall the last time that Team USA won the first two single matches of a Mosconi Cup, but it has been a while.

Sunday, 12/1
Day 2 opened with another team match, which was not to my liking. The value of the team match on day one is that it introduces the ten participants at once, but it is hardly necessary on Day 2. Team USA prevailed to tie the Mosconi at 3-3. Shaw beat Gorst quite easily to give Europe a 4-3 lead, but Styer and Thorpe managed a big point to tie things at 4-4. FSR, with something close to perfect play, had a dominant win over SVB, so Europe regained the lead. With a chance to tie things up at 5-5, Team USA had a 4-3 lead in Match 10, but lost a safety battle, begun by Woodward, for double hill, and then Fedor scratched on the break, leading to a runout by Alcaide and Kaci. Europe 6, USA 4.

As close as the match seemed, it was hard to ignore that Fedor and Shane were contributing almost nothing to the Team USA cause. Woodward, as usual, was looking solid, and Tyler Styer was overachieving, arguably the main reason the Mosconi was still competitive. Thorpe looked a bit overmatched out there, but played well with Styer as his partner in Match 8.

I feel that, as a rule, in the many Mosconi Cups that I have attended, fans were rowdy but tended to shut up once players were over the shot, This was most definitely not the case on this day of competition, and the number of times that American fans made noise and comments while a European player was already over the shot was, quite frankly, embarrassing, There was also more than a little profanity. I am glad that the fans are this invested in the event, but as a fan of Team USA, this is not how I wanted to win. As we all remember, Michaela Tabb, in this type of situation, would stop a match completely and make announcements to the audience that such behavior would not be tolerated but this year’s referees let most of it go, never pausing the shot clock, and thereby robbing the Mosconi of some of its competitive integrity. I was hoping for, but not expecting better on Day 3.

Monday, 12/2
Day 3 opened, inexplicably, with a Team Match for the third day in a row, won handily by Team USA, but the fortunes of Team America took a dive after that. Krause had been weak on the first two days, but played well as he and FSR manhandled SVB and Woodward. Thorpe had his chances against Alcaide, but was not up to the challenge. Styer continued to play quite well as he and Gorst took on Kaci and FSR, but Fedor didn’t play well and Europe got the point. At 9-5, the play was, mercifully, stopped for the day.

SVB and Gorst had contributed nothing to this point, and when your best players aren’t contributing at all, your chances are very slight.

I must take note that the play of FSR in this Mosconi, through three days, was some of the finest I have ever seen at a Mosconi Cup. David Alcaide was consistently outstanding, too, as was Jayson Shaw.

Ony the most delusional would deny the difference in class between the two teams at this point. The formula for victory now came down to this: Team USA would have to win six matches out of seven to prevail.

Finally, the crowd was far better behaved on Day 3 than on Day 2, with far less sharking of players who were already down on the shot.

Tuesday, 12/3
Day 4, as usual, was to be one of indeterminate length, as the Mosconi Cup could have possibly ended in just two matches. The day kicked off with Woodward vs Shaw, the match postponed from Day 3 and Shaw cruised with outstanding play 5-0.

Next came a very strange affair between Gorst and Krause, in which Fedor led 4-0 before growing weak and before he knew it, the match found its way to double hill. Fedor seemed on route to a runout but hung the four ball. After a fine masse to pocket it by Krause, Mickey double hit the cue ball as he pocketed the five- ball. Gorst’s runout kept the Mosconi going, with Europe leading 10-6. Next came a good one between Woodward and FSR, hard fought and well played up to double hill, but FSR broke and ran to end the match and the Mosconi. Europe 11 USA 6. I was surprised that Shaw was named MVP, feeling that FSR had played better pool than Jayson, but props to both of them.

Socially
The biggest social moment for me came on the eve of the Mosconi at the BCA Hall of Fame dinner, where I probably caught up with 100 different people I knew.

One of them was Emily Frazer, with whom I chatted just briefly. I offered that while we are at a very stressful juncture in our sport, it in no way obscures the continuous growth and improvement of the WNT and I congratulated her on Matchroom’s accomplishments in 2024, wishing her continued success. Emily was cordial and thanked me for my feedback.

During the Mosconi itself, I had four different seats for the four different days and luck was with me as all the people with whom I sat were delightful, some of them American fans and some of them European fans.

Assessing the Production Itself
Matchroom arenas are always excellent, but the Mosconi arena is always one of a kind. The one in Orlando was just fantastic, a scaled down version of the incomparable arena at Alexandra Palace, the London home of the Mosconi Cup. Thousands of vocal fans brought the customary vibe to the proceedings. Arena music was great, featuring the usual fan favorites but also featuring some great country music, to the delight of the many southerners in attendance. Even I was singing along to Garth Brooks, and that was way out of character for this New York senior citizen.

Finally, player introductions and post-match interviews were excellent, and special effects in the arena were impressive.

The Rasson table in use played true, although it was very slick, causing players to overshoot position on many occasions. Still, the table was fair. As is well known, I do not like pockets this tight, but they were no tighter for Team USA than for Team Europe. Still, they played quite a bit tighter than the stream table in use at the Hanoi Open, which had given me hope that things might be improving.

Referees did good work at the table, although their management of the crowd was less than exemplary, as on far too many occasions, crowd members sharked players that were already over the shot without even the slightest reprimand.

The Hotel
The Caribe Royale hotel was outstanding, with great rooms and facilities and a great convention center. Although food options were limited, it is one of the better hotels to which my travels as a pool fan have taken me, although Turning Stone remains my favorite.

Conclusion
At Matchroom, they have the Mosconi Cup production down to a science, delivering year after year. 2024 was no exception, and everyone at Matchroom has a lot to be proud of after another great event.

If you have never attended a Mosconi Cup, I hope you are afforded the opportunity to do so one day, for as hard as I try to describe it, until you have experienced the buzz that is the Mosconi Cup, you will not fully understand it.
How was the seating? Watching on tv it looked really hard to see the table from most of the seats.
 
How was the seating? Watching on tv it looked really hard to see the table from most of the seats.
At most Matchroom events, to see the angles and clearances on the table, your best bet is the overhead monitors. For that reason, I've found the best seating at the MC to be about row H (8th) where you are reasonably close to the table to see the people interactions and far enough back to see the table layout on the monitors.
 
I stayed at the resort and it was well worth it. The property is very nice, and late night there was lots of opportunity to interact/party with a few people involved in the production (no names). I made a special effort to not interact with the players off hours. The main thing was to do everything I could to make them want to come back.

Disagree that there was a lack of dining options: there's the outdoor bar, a 2-story sports bar, a steakhouse, a rum bar that all served food. Also a breakfast venue and a Starbucks on the premises. It's not cheap to eat there but that's pretty standard for a resort of this caliber. In addition there are several dining options within 2 miles of the venue.

Day 1/2 was fortunate to have an aisle seat where Team Europe walked down and got to touch it up with the players. Mickey And Eklent clearly weren't interested in fist bumping Americans but that's totally understandable. Agree that row H is the ticket: elevated over the table but not too far away and good view of overhead monitors.

Team USA from a fan's perspective were great with SVB bringing up the rear in that department (predictably). The four went out of their` way to do autographs between matches and during breaks. Shane did a lot of signing as well to be fair, but his body language was clearly in the 'leave me the F alone' range. He's a GOAT so he gets a pass from this fan but it must be said, his fan presence was way behind the other 4. All 5 of team EU were great as well here.

Oscar deserved to be there on paper, but I'm happy in the end that Billy was there. There's no way Oscar would have brought the energy that Billy did. Team USA gained 3 points over last year so I'm happy for Sky that he won't eat **it over that call.

The sharking was disappointing. I have to imagine that 99.9% of attendees are also players like myself and have thus been through it, so I don't see any justification for that stuff. It makes all of us look bad and it makes for a worse product.

Overall a totally amazing experience. It was expensive, I ended up out a couple Gs over the 4 days but will gladly do it again given the opportunity. Here's to Mosconi Cup '26 in Orlando!
 
I too like the team match every day, but the Euros have never yelled during the actual shots(or were quieted quickly). Emily is flat wrong here
She probably wouldn't understand the difference at what point they were yelling. Approaching the shot & around the table vs being down and ready.
 
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Thanks for the recap, Stu. I was able to attend day 3 and enjoyed it immensely. Now on to Fort Lauderdale for me.
 
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Cheering and having a good time is all fine and well, it's an automatic.
You don't breathe loudly when a player is on a shot, before, during, or after. Run your mouth and
expect what you may receive in return. For $ 5.00 I've seen sharking turn into a brawl.

The people in charge should be accountable for any disruptive conduct by players or fans. They will not be on my list of pals and that tells me everything I need to know about them.
Regardless of the nation in which the event takes place it should not be accepted. Spectators and players should be informed prior, and during the event of automatic ejection from the arena and remainder of the event.

Outbursts, cursing, yelling, screaming, etc.is disrespectful to the game, the players, the venue, yourself, and all attendees. It sounds like a bunch of low life people with no class and the people running the show aren't any better for letting it happen. Shame on them.

I don't watch the dog and pony show.
 
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You don't breathe loudly when a player is on a shot, before, during, or after. Run your mouth and
expect what you may receive in return. For $ 5.00 I've seen sharking turn into a brawl.

The people in charge should be accountable for any disruptive conduct by players or fans. They will not be on my list of pals and that tells me everything I need to know about them.
Regardless of the nation in which the event takes place it should not be accepted. Spectators and players should be informed prior, and during the event of automatic ejection from the arena and remainder of the event.

Outbursts, cursing, yelling, screaming, etc.is disrespectful to the game, the players, the venue, yourself, and all attendees. It sounds like a bunch of low life people with no class and the people running the show aren't any better for letting it happen. Shame on them.

I don't watch the dog and pony show.
Do players need to be wearing tuxedos too?
 
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