SJM at the 2024 Mosconi Cup

jay helfert said:
Your interpretation of his impromptu speech was a little different than mine. I heard him directly call out to U.S.fans to cheer loudly for any and all Euro errors. That's blatant bad sportsmanship in my book! After that kind of encouragement where do you draw the line.
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jay helfert said:
Your interpretation of his impromptu speech was a little different than mine. I heard him directly call out to U.S.fans to cheer loudly for any and all Euro errors. That's blatant bad sportsmanship in my book! After that kind of encouragement where do you draw the line.
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Very respectfully, Jay:

Not having been immersed in pro pool like you, it strikes me as fairly normal in most other pro sports in America. As a longtime Boston fan, i can say we have razzed many a Yankee, Sixer, Canadien or NYJ player just like that.

i can tell from your objection that you don’t think such behavior is within bounds in pool. I can respect that and will reconsider my view. But I am inclined to think it’s ok at an event like the Mosconi - not necessarily other major pro pool events - so long as fans don’t swear, shark or make it personal.

i want team Euro to miss at the Mosconi and I want them to know It. I want the pressure on them. Maybe that’s a sign of my newness to the sport - just three years watching pro pool - but I think that sort of engagement, again respectfully, is where the Mosconi is going.
 
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jbart65 said:
Very respectfully, Jay:

Not having been immersed in pro pool like you, it strikes me as fairly normal in most other pro sports in America. As a longtime Boston fan, i can say we have razzed many a Yankee, Sixer, Canadien or NYJ player just like that.

i can tell from your objection that you don’t think such behavior is within bounds in pool. I can respect that and will reconsider my view. But I am inclined to think it’s ok at an event like the Mosconi - not necessarily other major pro events - so long as fans don’t swear, shark or make it personal.

i want team Euro to miss at the Mosconi and I want them to know It. I want the pressure on them. Maybe that’s a sign of my newness to the sport - just three years watching pro pool - but I think that sort of engagement, again respectfully, is where the Mosconi is going.
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A reasonable post, but there is a line. Some sports require more concentration than others. Sports fans don't heckle a figure skater, a diver, or a gymnast by screaming a profanity out loud just before they attempt something difficult. Tennis fans that heckle players while a point is in progress are sometimes ejected. Golf hecklers can be ejected, too, if they disrupt a player in the process of hitting a shot.

Ultimately, the question is "in which sports will performance drop greatly when fans become too boisterous?" I believe pool to be one of those sports, so I believe that fan behavior while a shot is in progress (meaning while a player is over the shot) needs to be managed, even at the Mosconi.

Before the player is over the ball, however, everything is fair game at the Mosconi.
 
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jay helfert said:
Your interpretation of his impromptu speech was a little different than mine. I heard him directly call out to U.S.fans to cheer loudly for any and all Euro errors. That's blatant bad sportsmanship in my book! After that kind of encouragement where do you draw the line.
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Tyler needs to stop trying to be the cool kid, it just looks stupid on him. Embrace the nerd, which is cool now anyway.
 
Badpenguin said:
Tyler needs to stop trying to be the cool kid, it just looks stupid on him. Embrace the nerd, which is cool now anyway.
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Styer shoots 785 FR & is married to Margarita Fefilova.

Many would say he is the cool kid... ;):cool:

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sjm said:
Ultimately, the question is "in which sports will performance drop greatly when fans become too boisterous?" I believe pool to be one of those sports, so I believe that fan behavior while a shot is in progress (meaning while a player is over the shot) needs to be managed, even at the Mosconi.

Before the player is over the ball, however, everything is fair game at the Mosconi.
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I think that’s a good place to draw the line - though I am not always sure when a player is over a shot. To my mind, it’s when a player lines up the shot and starts to hunch down a bit.

i don’t think pro pool opens are the same, of course. I want fans engaged, like in Hanoi, but to act more like tennis fans.

BTW, I normally don’t root hard for Americans at open or ranking events. I just want to see great, competitive matches.

One of my two favorite players is Johann Chua. When he played and beat SVB recently, I wasn’t rooting for or against Shane. I would have been pleased if either won. I just didn’t want to see a lopsided match.

Same thing with tennis, golf, gymnastics, etc. I am not really rooting for nationalities, but for excellence and high competition. I think fans of those sports generally do likewise.
 
As for the rowdy fans, I think sharking is not effective if it is expected. Imagine playing in a tournament where there has been dead silence and let someone whisper just loud enough for you to hear: "He's gonna dog it." Far more of a shark than continuous loud comments about how bad you play.

Here is the snooker equivalent of the Mosconi Cup. The audience had to be warned to stop dropping F-bombs. They were not asked to be quiet while the player was down on the shot. First prize is about $60,000 which only requires you to win 7 frames.

 
The aptly named inaugural "Sharks" Billiard League allowed sharking in their rules but even they only allowed between shots not when player down on shot. But I suppose didn't bother these Filipino players since they are used to playing around chickens and all kinds of noises :ROFLMAO:

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jbart65 said:
I think that’s a good place to draw the line - though I am not always sure when a player is over a shot. To my mind, it’s when a player lines up the shot and starts to hunch down a bit.
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To me, a player is down on the shot once they have made their bridge.
 
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