Magic Rack and Joshua Filler's 7-pack

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Though today I am a railbird, I used to play, competing on the leagues and in local tournaments., I also went on the road a few years in the '80s with a road player. As such, I really do understand all games of pocket billiards.

I made a thread on my Facebook page about Joshua Filler's 7-pack, and much to my surprise, my other half posted on my thread he thought the Magic Rack shouldn't be allowed. I asked him privately why. Well, I thought about it. Doesn't the Magic Rack create the perfect rack with no cracks? Doesn't a pool player have to break perfectly each time in order for the wing ball to fly in the side? In comparison, when pins are racked in a bowling alley, doesn't the bowler have to hit them perfeclty in order to make a strike?

Some pros today practice their breaks. I saw Earl Strickland do it over and over again at many tournaments. Shane Van Boening is also a break mechanic. The break, at least in my eyes today, is just as important as having the ability to run out. Without a good break, even if you can run out, you will never be able to dominate. The break is THAT important.

In my eyes, the only way the Magic rack cannot be perfect is if the placement is off a few millimeters on the spot. By my own admission, I've never played pool with a Magic Rack and would enjoy hearing thoughts from others who have.

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jasonlaus said:
Yeah, because they're not trying currently. If only they practiced, traveled all over the world and their livelihood depended on it 🤦‍♂️

It's clear, you're not acting
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I'm beginning to think you aren't acting.

Do you seriously think that pro grinding it out is going to choose a lower percentage shot over a higher percentage safe, when it is his paycheck on the line?

For what, so he can say he almost ran 3 racks and was on the way to running 11 racks but that bank hung up?!
 
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skogstokig said:
josh consistently made the wing ball and dollied up the 1-ball by the right top pocket, drawing the CB two rails for a similar shot on the 1-ball in most racks. that's repetitive.
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And? The whole idea is to make the 1 in the side or better yet, make another ball and have a clear shot at the 1.

Should they fire the cueball out of a Cannon at the rack to break?

Should players not be allowed to play position on the next ball?

I was helping a friend with his break a few months back and was showing him the same thing only a straight back off the rack to the top of the table(cueball) for a shot on the 1 while making the wing ball. Nothing illegal about it

It actually works better due to less chance of being kicked due to going back and forth across the table like Josh.
 
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Black-Balled said:
I'm beginning to think you aren't acting.

Do you seriously think that pro grinding it out is going to choose a lower percentage shot over a higher percentage safe, when it is his paycheck on the line?

For what, so he can say he almost ran 3 racks and was on the way to running 11 racks but that bank hung up?!
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Why is he getting out of line? I thought these racks were so easy a low level pro or even an apa 6 could run out.

Who said anything about a low percentage shot? Are you just going to keep making shit up, or are you going to quit shoveling?
 
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skogstokig said:
josh consistently made the wing ball and dollied up the 1-ball by the right top pocket, drawing the CB two rails for a similar shot on the 1-ball in most racks. that's repetitive.
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Who else did this? If it's so easy, everybody should be doing it.

Alex started out breaking from the same place as Josh and it didn't work for him
 
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maha said:
100 to 0ne odds??? you could lay 1000 to one and be robbing anyone.
and the general pro circuit where they run out about 30 percent of the time its over 50,000 to one against running a ten pack.

the reason they are running as much as they do is the break shot is gaffed so its too easy to make a ball and have easy run outs.

no or tiny break box from the spot. and all balls on the break get spotted. this way they have to run 9 balls and not 7 or 8 all open.
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50,000 to 1 against running a ten pack but we're talking about changing the rules because it's too easy? We might as well make a rule where it's a rerack if all the balls go in on the break because they're both just as likely to happen.
 
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jasonlaus said:
And? The whole idea is to make the 1 in the side or better yet, make another ball and have a clear shot at the 1.

Should they fire the cueball out of a Cannon at the rack to break?

Should players not be allowed to play position on the next ball?

I was helping a friend with his break a few months back and was showing him the same thing only a straight back off the rack to the top of the table(cueball) for a shot on the 1 while making the wing ball. Nothing illegal about it

It actually works better due to less chance of being kicked due to going back and forth across the table like Josh.
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as i alluded to in my previous post, there will be some viewers that can watch the same thing over and over and find great enjoyment in it
 
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jason said:
These players have come close to perfecting the game. I don’t believe the Magic rack is the solution or the problem. Great table conditions, an almost perfect rack, and the expertise of elite players will produce remarkable results. I think we must accept the game as it is. Extending the races, using imperfect racks, and tightening the pockets are not the solutions either. I believe we need to find a way to make the game more challenging, but I’m not certain how to achieve that.

I do believe that if a player runs 9 and out (if it happens), the opponent should at least have the opportunity to do the same. It should be written in the rules.
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I would like to see the pockets 4 1/2 inch minimum, the tighter the pockets the less the players take chances cheating the pocket, playing difficult banks ect. , they play safe instead, I think it would add excitement to see players take more chances with difficult shots and make the game more watchable to people who don't understand the nuances of the game, it might help more young people want to try the sport.
 
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jasonlaus said:
Why is he getting out of line? I thought these racks were so easy a low level pro or even an apa 6 could run out.

Who said anything about a low percentage shot? Are you just going to keep making shit up, or are you going to quit shoveling?
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You're drunk.

I never seen any pool match with all easy shots.
 
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SSP said:
I would like to see the pockets 4 1/2 inch minimum, the tighter the pockets the less the players take chances cheating the pocket, playing difficult banks ect. , they play safe instead, I think it would add excitement to see players take more chances with difficult shots and make the game more watchable to people who don't understand the nuances of the game, it might help more young people want to try the sport.
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Ball in hand to the other guy after you miss would be what results in more offensive chances.
 
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Black-Balled said:
I'm beginning to think you aren't acting.

Do you seriously think that pro grinding it out is going to choose a lower percentage shot over a higher percentage safe, when it is his paycheck on the line?

For what, so he can say he almost ran 3 racks and was on the way to running 11 racks but that bank hung up?!
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He is being intentionally combative, because that is his personality. Much like in NPR... Once he takes a stance, he is absolutely bolted into it, and no new information, or idea presented, is gonna move him off of it.
 
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SSP said:
I would like to see the pockets 4 1/2 inch minimum, the tighter the pockets the less the players take chances cheating the pocket, playing difficult banks ect. , they play safe instead, I think it would add excitement to see players take more chances with difficult shots and make the game more watchable to people who don't understand the nuances of the game, it might help more young people want to try the sport.
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4 1/2" pockets are not that much of a challenge for the 825+ Fargo crowd. You gotta get down to 4 1/4", AND have a little wear on the cloth to slow them down.
 
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the problem with not using a template is that you get guys re-racking for 3 minutes straight- it is unbearable to watch at times. For the pros, I think it is fine to use a template for 9 ball as long as the 9 ball is on the spot and you have to break from the box- yes, they still often make a ball, but it isn't as predictable.
 
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