Horizontal Draw
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Sharivari has a video explaining this and when to adjust between draw and side to accomplish your objective.
TinMan has a boot camp that does it. Just sayin’ since he posted in the thread. Not that the Sharivari video is wrong - it isn’t.
A ball can only spin on one axis. In pure draw, the axis is from 6 to 12 and therefore through the center of the ball. On pure side spin, the axis is from 9 to 3 with the axis through the center of the ball. If you hit the cue ball at 7, the axis always go through the center of the ball and in this case it goes to 1. When the cue ball hits a rail, or object ball, or just slides across the table the axis changes. So in the examples, the cue ball has both side spin and draw and the ratio changes with any friction. The constant is the center of the ball. Maybe we just need a word for this ratio.
Joe, You're 100% Correct!
To add, 5 or 7 O'clock English will have More Draw than Spin!
Also, 4 or 8 O'clock English will have More Spin than Draw!
It's all about the Predominant Axis!
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Never seen a ball do that. Real?
Reed Foley
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Side spin is either check or running draw is nothing in comparison as long as its on the center axis but can be check or running.
DeeDeeCues
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I'm not positive I really follow what you are saying. You have written a confusing run-on sentence, maybe use a comma or two next time.
But...I never said that side is draw. I said that in certain situations side can produce the same or similar effect as draw.
Pure draw keeps grabbing/spinning.
Rail nose draw contacts the rail nose cloth, and grab/draws for a split second.... Plus there is rail nose compression as you add more forward cue speed, causing more grab in damp conditions.
Thanks for the shout out!
I was super excited to see Sharivari post this video. The difference between the video and my bootcamp is the difference between theory and practice. Having the theoretical knowledge is great. The problem is that most people can't execute either shot very well.
They can't hit finesse stun shots because they don't have the tip accuracy to cue low enough, because they don't have the timing to move their cue slowly while generating power, or they hvae too much body movement (early elbow drop), etc. And they can't execute the soft spin shot because again, their tip accuracy keeps them away from the edge of the ball, along with the fact that they just miss too often and develop an adverse reaction to cueing the ball with extreme side.
As you know, at my bootcamp I don't just teach, I train. And my students don't leave without both of these critical shots in their toolbox, along with a good understanding of when to use each. We drill them until they become routine, at least when we're feeling on our game. Everything can go south when we're tight and overthinking. But more and more often.
Anyway, didn't mean to plug my camp too hard, but there is room for everyone. Sharivari can reach so many more people than I can through video, and at a much lower price point. But for people that are tired of messing around without progress I can promise that when we lock the door and work hard for three days you'll be able to do all of these things once and for all.
Why not ask civil questions in an effort to better understand what he's trying to say, rather than immediately jump down his throat, which you love to do to anyone and everyone, about anything.
Bill has problems explaining himself, but you know what? We all do when writing rather than having a face to face conversation. That's the nature of these Forum conversations. Writers/Posters here lack the skills to perfectly convey they're thoughts that everyone understands.
You Sir are too quick to draw and pull the trigger.
Ease up, give someone a chance to correct their error, rather than completely shoot them down.
Bill was a very very good player in his day.
Ask questions before assignation.
Thx 3 Ksn.
I also taught for ten years, just reupped my certification.
Every teacher employs different ways to explain things.
Everyone's mind.... process's what you say differently.
Telling anything to anyone in any class/math/science/billiards... not all students are able to get it.
I always wanted to know my students background as they warmed up.
THIS alone helped me immensely....why?
When they didn't understand what I'd said, I'd explain it in a way that corresponded with their life/experiences.
Like an Airline pilot who was a pretty good player.
His walk up to the shot was Wrong.
His stance was good/swing mechanics were good/grip etc.
But I corrected his walk up by explaining it this way.
His.... Landing approach to a run way.
I said to you come in from an angle/then straighten out and land
.
He got it right away.
And another.... I named it the Creeping Crab.
This man had everything right, But as he'd do his warm up strokes, his bridge hand would creep forward/Now he's out of balance.
We laughed.
But below was good/sad.
I taught a group of 12-15 yr old Jr players years ago.
One became a great player, better than Sam Cordova, but when the money started rolling in, he got into hard drugs.
bm
I also taught for ten years, just reupped my certification.
Every teacher employs different ways to explain things.
Everyone's mind.... process's what you say differently.
Telling anything to anyone in any class/math/science/billiards... not all students are able to get it.
I always wanted to know my students background as they warmed up.
THIS alone helped me immensely....why?
When they didn't understand what I'd said, I'd explain it in a way that corresponded with their life/experiences.
Like an Airline pilot who was a pretty good player.
His walk up to the shot was Wrong.
His stance was good/swing mechanics were good/grip etc.
But I corrected his walk up by explaining it this way.
His.... Landing approach to a run way.
I said to you come in from an angle/then straighten out and land
.He got it right away.
And another.... I named it the Creeping Crab.
This man had everything right, But as he'd do his warm up strokes, his bridge hand would creep forward/Now he's out of balance.
We laughed.
But below was good/sad.
I taught a group of 12-15 yr old Jr players years ago.
One became a great player, better than Sam Cordova, but when the money started rolling in, he got into hard drugs.
bm
This ck spin term used in snooker is just that.
Snooker, will not allow the player to shoot a ball straight down the rail into a Rounded edged pocket and bring the cb back towards him.
Rounded edged pockets won't accept any ball at speed coming straight in to the facing.
Snooker, will not allow the player to shoot a ball straight down the rail into a Rounded edged pocket and bring the cb back towards him.
Rounded edged pockets won't accept any ball at speed coming straight in to the facing.
The current tables used in professional snooker tournaments do allow balls to be shot down the rail at speed, but they have to be hit very precisely.
I'd like to see that.
Ball Frozen to the long rail 5 feet from the pocket.
Then Ck back it up two diamonds past the side pocket.
Video?
Ball Frozen to the long rail 5 feet from the pocket.
Then Ck back it up two diamonds past the side pocket.
Video?
Many claims about Denny Searcy's ball making ability.