Has anyone coached a friend through their earbuds?

billiards_watch said:
I use to be cocky when I was younger and you can smell my arrogance across the room. I played my best then. Now I'm a bit older and very humble now due to age and deaths in family. The pool game has been stale since I came back.

The ego is a very real thing.
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I jab fun at my ego when it complains.
Uh oh a triggered rerun story:
Standing in line to get into the DFAC in Iraq. A beef between 2 on the special ops outside the walls crew, arose. The Senior citizen er uh soldier (he was buffed) said, "Jr you can't win. I kick your ass and you will never hear the end of it. If you win, it will be "Oh Wow you kicked an Old Man's ass." The young bull gave it thought and smiled.
 
Black-Balled said:
If anybody hasn't seen bills 3c vids, well...his spirit animal must be an octopus, he's got so many 3c tricks up his sleeve.

Man knows his 3c.
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I haven't looked at more than a few minutes but his record speaks for itself. A quick search on his name and three cushion shows he is widely respected too.


gregcantrall said:
So many Jr amateur coaches out there. 😉 shrug. I Loved it when they tried to tell me what I should have done. In my bar table home court play pen. I charged 'em. Hope for them to say 10 shrug. Just good clean fun, officer. It snot gambling it's a contest of skill.
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I occasionally had a partner try to coach me as to what I should shoot next. They were totally ignored other than making sure they had an easy shot next. They usually wanted me to do something Efren would blanch at!

I was playing with Geno's stuff. Set up and cut to the left, it worked fine. Set up to cut to the right, not happening! In about fifteen minutes of nonstop shooting I made the ball twice in error, hit the point consistently. A man I knew slightly was watching. He finally couldn't stand it any longer. "Let me show you how to make that ball!" I tried to explain to him that I wasn't trying to make the ball as much as trying to make it using Geno's information. He thought I was yanking his chain!

After weeks of saying no modifications needed Geno said I needed to make modifications when I told him what happened. Almost everything works with modifications!

I refrain from coaching unless asked or will occasionally offer if someone is struggling alone. I think a little coaching goes a long ways though so mostly I keep my mouth shut.

Reminds me, I strapped my brother in my late model dirt car. I had built it while he was in Uncle Sugar's outfit and he had never sat in the 600+HP car before. I told him, "You haven't ever driven one of these before. Go down yonder and take a left. Come back this way and take another left." Off he went!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
They were totally ignored other than making sure they had an easy shot next.
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Uh oh a Grampa story: Back in the day on the east side, Bellevue WA. We had a 10 a stick Scotch Doubles ring game with 3 teams. Oh it was fun. Well for me and my partner. Around 160 @ by close time. 🤷‍♂️ The best part is. We were Not on speaking terms. No serious I had passed him off earlier. My conduct was out of line.
Somehow we accepted the game as the six top guns lounged and created the game.
We Never Spoke. Just never missed! Oh that fight or flight adrenaline was there for both of us. 🤷‍♂️ Had We been speaking, the only conversation would have been, "I made Mine" or "Take That!". 😉
 
And oh yeah 🤷‍♂️ That was when my left hand was just starting to perform.....well. I was the first to miss A ball. It was with my right hand. I switched to the left immediately and finished the night that way. My partner knew that I was right handed. Shrug 🤷‍♂️ must have made him think I was giving him the finger.
 
markjames said:
isn’t cheating at cards how people got shot and killed in clint eastwood movies?
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I knew of it happening as late as the seventies, maybe eighties. There was a game ran by the local family and the parish sheriff was almost always sitting in it, in uniform complete with a big ol' gun. Maybe the last game that I would have considered cheating in but a few people did over the years. Just a mile or two to the Mississippi River bridge and there was always an old jukebox that had gotten too flaky to be worth having to fix all the time. Rumor had it that people would try to steal those old jukeboxes by swimming off with them!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
It is one thing to make a mistake, another to cheat deliberately and everyone should have a working knowledge of the rules. Any actual coaching as to how to play except during a legal time out would be met with an unsportsmanlike and DQ's for both players if it was up to me. Again, pistol matches, a man of roughly forty was scoring and taping my nephew's targets. We used one inch target squares so it was possible to tape selectively and conceal misscoring. I caught him cheating a twelve year old boy. I explained to him rather emphatically that if I caught him cheating anyone with my last name again I would kick his ass. The range owner/tournament director told me it was his job to handle such things. I told him I had handled it and would do so again if needed. Then I spent the next three months going out of my way to score the man's targets. He shot a .38 which only makes a 3/8" hole. I carefully taped over the higher scoring lines whenever possible so he had to come behind me and pull the tape off of the targets to check his score. I never cheated, but I left the possibility open nonstop!

Cheating is bad enough between adults, cheating a child in their first season of competition, chickenshit even if the child was kicking their ass! My nephew, my gun, my brother and I training him at the proper time, in practice. LT was a winner in his class from day one. It was hilarious on the way home that first day. He asked if he was given pity points because he was a child competing with all adults. Nope, no pity points!




I don't know if they have shop or home ec classes anymore. I think girls and boys should have to take a semester of both. They do have to take driver's ed to get a license and hunter education to get a hunting license in my state. However, anyone should know how to safely jump a car off or change a tire. The difference between steam and smoke and how to safely open a hood too.

My brother and I were on a day trip. There was a young blond on the side of the road with a flat tire. To put it delicately the girl was homely! I pulled over. "Figure nobody else would stop?" "Yep." She had a jack under an unsupported fender. It wasn't the right one for the car and was too short anyway. I walked back to my truck to look for something to put the jack on or I thought my jack might better serve. My brother came over howling with laughter. "She is a true blond. She suggested putting the spare tire under the jack!" She was pissed we laughed at her but we did get her back on the road safely.

People should have basic skills training and since some parents are no better than the children devoting an hour for one year to teaching basic life skills seems like a good idea even if it just involves teaching people to walk away and get help sometimes.

Hu
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That's not how to tell if she a real blonde.
 
markjames said:
isn’t cheating at cards how people got shot and killed in clint eastwood movies?
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Cole Dixon told me he had run out or been run out of every casino in Nevada. He made the Banned list for the state. He spoke of sitting on a tall stool at the blackjack table and being Cole he was tilting the stool back on its two back legs. Upon exceeding the limit he had to extend and raise both hands to regain balance. That produced an ace in each palm to the camera. Shrug 🤷‍♂️
 
ShootingArts said:
While it flies under many names I have never met anyone that was world class at anything that didn't have a large ego. The public humility of Efren is well known but the first time Marvin Manalo beat him he thought it showed disrespect and he didn't speak to Marvin for six weeks! Efren has a huge ego, he just keeps it under wraps most of the time. I was racing a late model '57 Chevrolet on dirt at seventeen. I was very unathletic and those old cars took muscle to drive. Money and experience too. I was a typical teenager feeling a bit inferior at best. I recognized then that it took a lot of ego to think I could beat the other drivers with the car I had rebuilt from the ground up and built the engine for. Right then I started deliberately building my ego. I didn't notch a feature my first year but I won the last four prelim's I ran. The best knew I was there.

I still annoy some people with my ego. I make no apologies, I consider it an important part of the foundation that has made me a winner at everything I have competed at, often competing against the very best in open competition, no handicap. I dodge any form of competition with a handicap unless I am in the top division. Hard to brag about wins that came any way but head to head with the best.

Modesty, even false modesty, is dangerous. Your subconscious doesn't understand lies, not even "white lies".

Hu
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I am sorry that that was your experience, as I have met and know many world class people in their field that have either maintained humility, or learned to humble themselves. Achievement isn’t a license to act abrasive.

No matter what anyone does with their life, the last moments on their death bed is only spent asking themselves the question “was I loved?” And the legacy of a man cannot be untied from the question “but, was he a good person?”
 
Monti said:
All I would need is “stay down you c#%#”. After every shot!
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Uh oh another Scotch Doubles flashback:
My wife had a history with Lavern on the other team in a race to 4 bar box 9 ball tournament. I had made a $10 sweat bet with Joe on the other team.
As she prepared to break, I saw the deer in the headlights look. So I sidled up along side and whispered, "did you hear what Lavern said?" She had said nothing. 🤷‍♂️ My wife's tension in her, "What did she SAY?" My reply of, "oh nevermind ", as I turned and returned to our table. Lit the fuse!
She snapped the 9, giving me the break. I broke made a ball, she fired in the 1-9. She broke making a ball, I made the 1 ball and she made the combination on the 9. I broke and made a ball to have her fire in the 1 -9 combination. I had to rush to speak to her for the second time in the match. She was heading for Lavern and the handshake. My whisper in her ear this time was, "Lavern didn't say anything. " Oh Wow that's potentially the madest she has ever been.....At Me!!!
 
gregcantrall said:
So many Jr amateur coaches out there. 😉 shrug. I Loved it when they tried to tell me what I should have done. In my bar table home court play pen. I charged 'em. Hope for them to say 10 shrug. Just good clean fun, officer. It snot gambling it's a contest of skill.
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One thing I never lost sight of as a circle track racer was that we were entertainers. No asses in the bleachers, no races or paychecks. One struggling track even started paying the racers a percentage of the night's gate. There was one man who must not have taken his eyes off of me all night. When I went to the stands to press the flesh and sign a few autographs for children this man would be waiting to tell me how I should have driven every inch of every race! Nodding my head and smiling when I didn't have the car under me to do what he said was part of the price I paid to race.

A car owner I was driving for gave me detailed instructions as to who to pass every lap. I let him talk then told him I would have to be running like hell in my best tennis shoes because his car would still be three places back when he had me winning the race. His car was completely outclassed by a few and there was nothing to be done about that. I was satisfied when I won in my car. "Stealing" three to five places finishing ahead of better cars in a shitbox gave me more of a feeling of accomplishment. There were limits to all things though and sometimes I had to admit I was completely outclassed.

I like the story about your wife. Mine could suffer from nerves. We had a great picture of her rounding a barrel on her barrel horse. That is until you looked real close and saw she looked like she had swallowed a set of false teeth she didn't have!


nataddrho said:
I am sorry that that was your experience, as I have met and know many world class people in their field that have either maintained humility, or learned to humble themselves. Achievement isn’t a license to act abrasive.

No matter what anyone does with their life, the last moments on their death bed is only spent asking themselves the question “was I loved?” And the legacy of a man cannot be untied from the question “but, was he a good person?”
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You missed what I was saying. I used Efren as an example in the hope you would understand. A funny interview with him was when Billy Incardone teased him, "You have been telling me you got lucky for twenty years." You can have an ego without being an asshole. I like people who are proud of who and what they are. I have never known anyone that was very successful that wasn't. You seem to be proud of your toy you have been working on for years. No reason not to be. It took some ego to think you could create it and bring it to market.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
You can have an ego without being an asshole. I like people who are proud of who and what they are. I have never known anyone that was very successful that wasn't. You seem to be proud of your toy you have been working on for years. No reason not to be. It took some ego to think you could create it and bring it to market.

Hu
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Ok, yes I understand you now and agree with this. We are on the same page.

I am very proud of myself, while at the same time I always make sure that I never forget that I was only able to achieve this by being fortunate enough to have access to education, help, and support from friends, family, and co-workers. The ones who forget that end up being the assholes.
 
ShootingArts said:
One thing I never lost sight of as a circle track racer was that we were entertainers. No asses in the bleachers, no races or paychecks. One struggling track even started paying the racers a percentage of the night's gate. There was one man who must not have taken his eyes off of me all night. When I went to the stands to press the flesh and sign a few autographs for children this man would be waiting to tell me how I should have driven every inch of every race! Nodding my head and smiling when I didn't have the car under me to do what he said was part of the price I paid to race.

A car owner I was driving for gave me detailed instructions as to who to pass every lap. I let him talk then told him I would have to be running like hell in my best tennis shoes because his car would still be three places back when he had me winning the race. His car was completely outclassed by a few and there was nothing to be done about that. I was satisfied when I won in my car. "Stealing" three to five places finishing ahead of better cars in a shitbox gave me more of a feeling of accomplishment. There were limits to all things though and sometimes I had to admit I was completely outclassed.

I like the story about your wife. Mine could suffer from nerves. We had a great picture of her rounding a barrel on her barrel horse. That is until you looked real close and saw she looked like she had swallowed a set of false teeth she didn't have!




You missed what I was saying. I used Efren as an example in the hope you would understand. A funny interview with him was when Billy Incardone teased him, "You have been telling me you got lucky for twenty years." You can have an ego without being an asshole. I like people who are proud of who and what they are. I have never known anyone that was very successful that wasn't. You seem to be proud of your toy you have been working on for years. No reason not to be. It took some ego to think you could create it and bring it to market.

Hu
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Back on Topic.

Wherever you find High$ gambling some form of 'Cheating' will intertwine!

From Casinos, Racetracks, Country Clubs to Pool rooms. It's just, (unfortunately) 'Human Nature' for some to take advantage of a given situation.

It's been depicted in films for years, here's a perfect example from 1964.

 
nataddrho said:
Ok, yes I understand you now and agree with this. We are on the same page.

I am very proud of myself, while at the same time I always make sure that I never forget that I was only able to achieve this by being fortunate enough to have access to education, help, and support from friends, family, and co-workers. The ones who forget that end up being the assholes.
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In psych terms, ego / pride etc are simply components of personality - maybe just sentience - whatever that means. Regardless you need a strong enough ego to withstand the forces of society if only to retain one's individuality. None of it has to show in an interpersonal engagement and often won't.
Jumped in to ramble...
 
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