Shoot a Million Balls? Give me a break.

One thing that has helped my game lately, after a brief warm up I only practice until I can't give 100% attention/focus to the shot. When I get unfocused I'll try to force it a few times but then I just go do something else.

I think it has helped my focus. Shooting balls without trying to do it perfect is a waste of time in practice and in serious play. Recognizing when you're just pissing around is a good thing to practice. It's a good thing to be able to turn off and on, we only have so much gas in the mental tank.


You might be able to go something like 20-10 so you are working forty minutes an hour. First break or two you may feel like you don't need it or a couple minutes are plenty but when it comes to serious practice 20 minutes at a time is a long time. Never more than one or two segments on the same thing either. Change what you are focusing on or just change how you are focusing on it.

By the time you are a couple hours into real practice you will be ready for the ten minute break when it comes. Practice how to take genuine breaks too. Be sure to drink plenty of water. Pool works mind and body and can burn surprising amounts of energy.

Hu
 
No, that is your assumption.

As previously stated, the dosage is to shoot a million balls *with focus.* IOWs, you're not doing the same over and over without a critical eye, you are observing and noting what you're doing and making adjustments accordingly. It sounds like you're advocating the same but for unknown reasons have a need to disparage the basic 10,000 ROT.

Lou Figueroa
Golf is the same way. You're way better off just hittin 30-40 balls' WITH FOCUS' than to just pound out 100 with no real clue.
 
My original post was intended to show that repeating the same mistakes over a million times won't improve your game. The assumption is that shooting a million balls will insure you will break old habits. Obviously this is not necessarily true. It is all about close observation of what you are actually doing. For each flaw in your game, using your eyes to evaluate what you are seeing and doing will accelerate your learning curve by orders of magnitude. (Keep in mind, we all see the same thing. But we don't all know what we are looking at. To remedy any flaw, you have to understand the nature of the flaw.) Sounds like you moved your eye into the vertical plane of the actual shot line. You eliminated parallax which was the consistent reason for your misalignment. I talked about this in my post about Aiming. Your experience is anecdotal proof of what I am advocating. You call it brain. Once you have determined the nature of your flaw, I call it judgement, intent, control.
It's also why I think it's the nastiest flaw to remedy because I see no difference in the shot, both of them look exactly the same when aiming but only one is truly straight, it's hard to fix a problem if you can't see what the real problem is.
 
We all see the same thing....we don't, some people can sight down the center of the shaft and the eye tells the brain you cue is straight and it is, some people need to shift their head some for the shaft to be straight, how much? That is what finding your vision center is all about, look at Joshua Filler, his cue is almost outside of his left eye, he doesn't miss often and he plays fantastic position, it's eye, brain, hand coordination, your eye can lie to you.
You look for a debate? You make a false premise then argue in support of everything I've said. There is a reality. But you can choose whatever you wish to believe.
 
There were shots I missed and shots where I didn't pocket a ball. Not always the same thing. I suspect I have shot a million shots without pocketing a ball. I'm unconvinced I have missed a million balls. When a shot gives me exactly the result I intended it is hard to call it a miss.





Another thing about chess, you see patterns, multiple possibilities, very fast. I think that directly translates into pattern play. One of the things Efren is credited with is seeing possibilities that others don't. I suspect he has considered 3-5 possibilities in the time it takes him to give the back of his head a quick rub!

No way to test it with no formal education but I suspect Efren's IQ is somewhere between high and extremely high. Having focused this intensely on pool for so long without wasting some of his best learning years in school learning reading and 'riting and 'rithmatic, he understands the way balls behave on a pool table perhaps better than anyone in the world.

Hu
If you are not consistently delivering the cue stick precisely on every shot, in other words, if you still have flaws, statistically, you may still make shots. So, if you are not fooling yourself, even though you may have made the shot, technically, you missed the shot. But I guess it all comes down to standards. Making the ball in the pocket is not the only metric or criteria that defines success. I think I heard Cole disgustingly say something about how a particular player never hits the center of the pocket. Standards. If your standards are higher than the other player, and you achieve this higher standard, you know you can beat him, you know you can win.
 
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No, that is your assumption.

As previously stated, the dosage is to shoot a million balls *with focus.* IOWs, you're not doing the same over and over without a critical eye, you are observing and noting what you're doing and making adjustments accordingly. It sounds like you're advocating the same but for unknown reasons have a need to disparage the basic 10,000 ROT.

Lou Figueroa
Give me a break. You mean to tell me that you believe hitting a million balls "with focus" means that this is enough to remedy, expunge all your flaws? If this is true, then most everyone who is not a champion or at least a pro who has hit a million balls must have an extremely vanishingly miniscule focus, or this adage is, like I say, BS. How many balls does one need to hit to adequately align the cue stick on the shot line, for instance? We're not talking rocket science here. It is because wanna be's can see but still can't recognize the nature of their particular flaws. Parallax, in this case, no one is telling them exactly how to spot and eliminate it as I did. If you are not observant enough to pick apart what you are seeing or have someone give you this knowledge you can't correct your problem. Practice makes perfect? Only if you know how to practice correcting your flaw. If you don't know the nature of your flaw no amount of "practice" will correct it. Not even hitting 1 million balls with focus. Using the technique I described earlier to eliminate parallax should remedy the problem almost over night if you remember to use it. (what is ROT?) Tell us, how many balls must be hit to eliminate parallax?
 
Getting to a million balls isn't nearly as hard as the OP thought if you work in a pool hall or just have a serious pool jones. I never worked in a hall but I put in more hours in a pool hall than I did working. I made a bit more with my businesses but working my entire pool career union journeyman was from nine to fourteen dollars an hour. I could always make twenty an hour on a table just playing cheap and it was a lot more fun. Never knew when a decent score would come along too. For a few years I could get into twenty a game every night, fifty a game once or twice a week. That beat hell out of wages!

Hu
Let's have some fun.

"Getting to a million balls isn't nearly as hard as the OP thought..."

Make a fist. Now raise and extend one index finger. Now, retract it back into your fist.

If I offer you $1000 to do this 1 million times, would you do it?
No? Then how much?
For free because you'd like to prove me wrong?
Easy? Piece of cake?
Then have at it.

Doing anything 1 million times is not a walk in the park.
Even if you love it.

Remember, the trip to hitting one millions balls starts with that first ball.
Or in our case, that first raised index finger.
 
One thing that has helped my game lately, after a brief warm up I only practice until I can't give 100% attention/focus to the shot. When I get unfocused I'll try to force it a few times but then I just go do something else.

I think it has helped my focus. Shooting balls without trying to do it perfect is a waste of time in practice and in serious play. Recognizing when you're just pissing around is a good thing to practice. It's a good thing to be able to turn off and on, we only have so much gas in the mental tank.
Intelligent. Like knowing when to quit gambling or drinking. Efficient, as well.
 
It's also why I think it's the nastiest flaw to remedy because I see no difference in the shot, both of them look exactly the same when aiming but only one is truly straight, it's hard to fix a problem if you can't see what the real problem is.
No... and yes. The shot is the total of what your eye(s) see, everything.

"...I see no difference in the shot, both of them look exactly the same..." They don't both look exactly the same. Simple proof: use the technique I describe how to correct for parallax. Compare before and after. They do not look exactly the same.

"it's hard to fix a problem if you can't see what the real problem is." This is what I've been saying repeatedly.
 
At best, it takes 30 seconds to make one shot. So a million balls takes 30 sec. times 1 million balls equals 500,000 minutes.
500,000 minutes divided by 60 minutes per hour equals 8333 hours.
Let's say you practice for 2 hours per day, every single day.
8333 hours divided by 2 hours per day equals 4167 days.
4167 days divided by 365 days per year equals 11.42 years.
2 hours per day may not seem like much but for every single day for 11 years? That's a grind.
Jim Rempe was born in 1947, started playing at age 6. He turned pro at age 22. He won his first major tournament in 1971. The rest is history.
How about you? A million balls? Maybe at best, 30-40 years? Start playing at age 15? Hey. You hit a million, maybe by 50.
I was told that no one gets as good as Cole, as quickly as Cole without a mentor. And I bet Sax never told Cole to hit a million balls.
And I was told that no one in the Bay Area (San Francisco circa 1966) could beat Cole when he was 16.
Any instructor that says, "Hey bud. Hit a million balls. Stick with me."
Run, don't walk?
You could become a champion in just a few years if you can think like a world class genius.
Or if someone who already knows takes you under his wing.
Good luck.
30 seconds..? A prime Earl used to take 3...
 
There is one failing in your estimates that stands out for me. To be a great (or even very good) pool player you must become obsessed by it. Most of the players who became champions regularly put in eight hour plus days nearly 365 days a year (let's say they missed a few and only played 350 days each year). At least for the first few years of their learning curve. I was never a great player and I started late at age 18, but I was on the table day and night for the first five years after I took up the game seriously. An eight hour day was probably a short day for me back then. Like so many others, ten and twelve hour sessions (at $5 9-Ball) were not unusual. I reached shortstop speed, good enough for me. If I had started at age 10-13 I probably would have become a better player.

My suggestion to you. Try eight hour days, 350 days a year and see how long it takes to achieve 10,000 hours or a million balls. Your numbers may change dramatically.

Even today the very best players (and there are many) may practice 10-12 hours a day when not playing in tournaments. That is the reality if you want to reach the top! Two hours a day is a warmup.
Earl said when he started he played 16 hours a day, went to sleep for 8, 16 hours again...probaly ate while playing...
 
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Give me a couple of weeks/months and I will prove to you that any average person with average eyes and intelligence with no physical handicaps can be a great player. That is, if they have the "knowledge." See, if you don't know where you're going and/or know how to get there, most likely even 2 million balls won't get you to pro status let alone champion status. Most all you guys, don't sell yourselves short. You just weren't told what was really going on or statistically, you didn't hit on the secret or two that makes all the difference. I remember when I was in the Corps in Japan back in '74, one day I decided to play some golf. I rented some clubs and played by myself on the base course. There was this one shot. It was about maybe 50+ yards from the hole. Even never having played before, I stepped up to this particular shot like I knew what I was doing. I stroked up a couple times and swung. It felt real good. Solid. I can still see myself standing there on that warm sunny day just watching in awe as that ball arced high into the sky. It was a thing of beauty. I could feel it. But then I looked aside and shook my head. I said to myself, no way. I had wasted too many hours at the pool hall as a kid, so I was not about to waste any more time starting to play golf. Probably a bad choice. I'll never know. My point is this. As you begin to play pool, you probably hit a few ball too perfectly. But didn't catch it. Or the cue ball reacted unbelievably but it all happened too fast. If you had been more attentive, you might have seen how you did it. You could have learned a secret or two. But you missed it. Maybe if you hit another 100,000 balls you might have repeated those shots and maybe this time you might see and remembered exactly what you did. And that could have made all the difference in your game. But fate didn't favor you. So you ended up a short stop or quit altogether. I played in a local tournament several years ago at Danny K's in Orange. I played a nice looking chick. Warming up I hit a short two footer. That cue ball drew back like a cartoon rocket. And she was standing right next to me and said, "Who is this guy." I just sort of acted embarrassed, awe shucks. Hell, I didn't have a clue. That was like world class draw. She won the match. Again, I think I can prove it to you that knowledge can give you a tremendous head start that is so exciting that it accelerates your enthusiasm even now. You'll put in the time and perfect what you have just learned. Here's one idea: watch Allen Hopkins. He has reduced everything he does to its bare minimum. The less he does minimizes risk and errors. Everything you do executing a shot has numerous degrees of freedom. You name it. Every slightest little thing. These are all things that can go wrong and probably some will. If you can eliminate them, you could achieve what Allen Hopkins has achieved. Near perfection. Maybe I'll let you know more about the specifics.
You'll produce a great player from scratch in two months..?Sorry, but thats horseshit as most likely all the greats were not great after a two month span.

And the last guy I'd have a beginner watch is Hopkins whose execution was subpar to all other top players as his jerky stroke was weak and there were certain shots, like long draw ones, he simply could not perform.

He didn't win tournaments because of his style but in spite of it...
 
If someone is practicing 2 hours a day and is making NO progress then they should see a PBIA billiards instructor, I believe vision center is the nastiest flaw in learning billiards, the reason is that when you are lining up a shot, if you are not truly straight you will be imparting english on the shot, you learn how to pocket balls but always with english, the nasty part is when you learn your vision center the shot looks EXACTLY like the one that is wrong, the difference is you are lined up properly now, my vision center is in the corner of my right eye, when I line up shots I have to use the corner of my right eye to see the shot line properly and when I am shooting the shot, it has taken about 8 months for this to be my new normal way of shooting, without this everything I learned didn't work properly, a friend of mine was a sharpshooter in the military, he is right handed but left eye dominant, check out John Morra's story, all I can say is I can't believe the difference it made for me.
And everyones seems to be different.Buddy's eyes arent over the cue like Mizeraks, Bustamantes not like Earls..I always say, I can teach anybody how to play pool but if you want to be extremely good or even great, there is stuff you'll have to find out yourself what works best for you...
 
It's also why I think it's the nastiest flaw to remedy because I see no difference in the shot, both of them look exactly the same when aiming but only one is truly straight, it's hard to fix a problem if you can't see what the real problem is.
My favourite exercise for this: Place an object ball in the middle of the side pockets and the cueball as close to the end rail where you can still make a bridge comfortably (or shppt of the end rail), both in line with the corner pocket.Pocket the ball with a center ball hit.Any unwanted spin will cause a miss of the ball.If the stroke aint the problem, you will find out where your vision center is.
 
It's an interesting question but I don't think Efren is the king, mainly because of his "youth" and organized play. He was often more inclined to play chess than be on a pool table if not in a match at big events too. Being sponsored for decades took a little financial strain off of Efren also so he wasn't as hungry as a lot of people seeking action nonstop.

This isn't to diminish Efren's skills or wins in any way, I just guess that he doesn't hold the crown of the most balls hit.

Hu
Yeah when I tell people about having a good banking system and they say Efren doesn’t need a banking system! Lol Efren is the banking system.. He has a gift from god.. I don’t so I have a system 😂
Let's have some fun.

"Getting to a million balls isn't nearly as hard as the OP thought..."

Make a fist. Now raise and extend one index finger. Now, retract it back into your fist.

If I offer you $1000 to do this 1 million times, would you do it?
No? Then how much?
For free because you'd like to prove me wrong?
Easy? Piece of cake?
Then have at it.

Doing anything 1 million times is not a walk in the park.
Even if you love it.

Remember, the trip to hitting one millions balls starts with that first ball.
Or in our case, that first raised index finger.
dude your not shooting the same shot over and over lol yeah shooting a million of the same shot would be tough and counting them would be tough but your shooting all different shots in all different situations. Sounds like you’re looking for an easy way to get good in a game you don’t love like you think you do. There is no easy way but to work on fundamentals and consistency and the only way to do that is to his a shit ton of balls. You sound like one of these apa players I talk to who play leagues 3 times a week then can’t figure out why they can’t move past a mid level handicap. You have to put the time and effort in.. period. I’m done with this thread.. at this point your just wasting my time with nonsense lol
 
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