can you explain please this break shot by Yapp?

figure out the aim line first, before configuring the speed. speed will differ anyway depending on conditions, and yapp is playing on new cloth, polished balls, etc
 
I don't have good advice as I haven't been able to get good at the MR format break. The only suggestion I would have is watch where the pro's CB hits the rail, and the angle it comes off of it. Then go to the table and try whatever you can on the speed, spin, and hit thickness, to match it.

I believe Niels also has a good video on the MR format break. (I know he has on the prior break formats, I forgot if he made a new one for the MR specific format).
 
works great on new cloth and polished balls as said. this way the balls get out of the way of the cueball. otherwise it gets kicked somewhere random.

after the cloth slows then it can be a disaster break.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I don't have good advice as I haven't been able to get good at the MR format break. The only suggestion I would have is watch where the pro's CB hits the rail, and the angle it comes off of it. Then go to the table and try whatever you can on the speed, spin, and hit thickness, to match it.

I believe Niels also has a good video on the MR format break. (I know he has on the prior break formats, I forgot if he made a new one for the MR specific format).
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Put the ball around an inch inside from the box, and an inch back from the headstring. Line your tip up with the line you can see between the 1-ball and the ball that sits directly behind it. Hit it as described above. You want the CB to hit just below the middle diamond on the rail after impacting the 1-ball. Setting up as described, I am thinking less about where I hit the 1-ball, and more about where I want the CB to meet the rail.

I'll throw a picture up when I go to the hall later, they are soon to change the cloth, and you can see the line of travel really clearly.
 
CanadianGuy said:
I'm trying to understand the speed at which he is hitting the cueball (guessing 25 mph)

and also what type of spin he is putting on the cueball, and how after hitting the one ball its rebounding off the side rail with such speed


at 22:03 in case the time stamp link does not work

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I think I see a little back hand adjustment going on here for a solid snap w some low right.
We went back and forth between right and left being best for that type break. They both come back into the rack off the rail. Power negates much of the spin. Trade off.
 
I think he may have a bit of outside on the stun the way the cue ball doesn't take any forward roll off the rail after hitting the rack and comes straight back across the table.

It sort of "checks" off the rail.
 
how after hitting the one ball [the cue ball is] rebounding off the side rail with such speed
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The speed that the cue ball retains after hitting an object ball is related to the cut angle. For full on hits (zero degree cut), the cue ball doesn't retain much speed (assuming no cue ball spin). For very thin cuts, the cue ball retains most of its speed. For cuts near a 1/2 ball hit (slightly thinner), the cue ball loses half its speed, and the cue ball and object ball leave the collision with equal speeds (and angles).

Dr. Dave explains the "cut break" for when the 9-ball is racked on the spot (i.e. when the whole rack is slid towards the middle of the table until the 9-ball is on top of the spot):

drdavepoolinfo.com

9-Ball Break Strategy and Advice - Dr. Dave Pool Info

Answers to frequently-asked questions about 9-ball break strategy and advice.
drdavepoolinfo.com drdavepoolinfo.com
 
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iusedtoberich said:
I don't have good advice as I haven't been able to get good at the MR format break. The only suggestion I would have is watch where the pro's CB hits the rail, and the angle it comes off of it. Then go to the table and try whatever you can on the speed, spin, and hit thickness, to match it.

I believe Niels also has a good video on the MR format break. (I know he has on the prior break formats, I forgot if he made a new one for the MR specific format).
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Niels comes into my poolroom to practice a few days before the open every year in Atlantic City.
Yes, he uses the same break shot.
 
thanks all
looks like Karl Boyes has a good video on his channel on this also

still trying to understand Yapps exact speed, tried my predator app in the event it might work on recorded video and unfortunately it didnt
 
CanadianGuy said:
I'm trying to understand the speed at which he is hitting the cueball (guessing 25 mph)
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I think it's possible to get pretty close on the speed by single-stepping the overhead views of the break and noting how many diamonds (12.5 inches) the cue ball goes between each frame. A large problem is that the original frame rate is maybe 60/second and YouTube seems to feed frames at 25 per second. That means that the time steps may vary from 2/60 of a second to 3/60 of a second. You can definitely see a difference in movement of about 50% between consecutive movements.

In the break shot at 25:50, I think there is 3.4 diamonds of cue ball travel in (3+2+3)/60 seconds. Just convert that to MPH.
 
CanadianGuy said:
I'm trying to understand the speed at which he is hitting the cueball (guessing 25 mph)

and also what type of spin he is putting on the cueball, and how after hitting the one ball its rebounding off the side rail with such speed


at 22:03 in case the time stamp link does not work

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Good question.

During the break....
Notice where the cb strikes the 1st long rail.
Next.... key.
On the break Yapps cue tip finishes to the Right after contacting the cue ball.
Because of his swing finishing right as he hits thru the shot, he's Pushing/squirting the cb to his left.
Most amazing aspect of this shot is the cb track coming off the second long rail.
It straightens out stays low away from the side pocket scratch.
Because there is no draw, the spin off the 1st long rail killed the cue ball to track just back and forth.

His break is now a level above his peers.
He's eliminated the side to side cb in the side pocket.
 
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