2026 DCC 9-Ball Discussion

HawaiianEye said:
He we go again!

Should they keep changing rules until everybody gets a trophy now?

Let's just forget REAL pool now and play everything online.
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I was just joking. I don't think they should change the rules. It was just in reference to what they have done in the past to slow down someone that has mastered something that gave them a big edge. As long as it is not cheating, they should reap the benefits of what they have mastered.
 
JPB2 said:
I went and watched it again. Filler had 4 B&Rs. A 3 pack in games 6,7, and 8. He’s an 858. Playing well deep in a tournament. I mention this because I think people tend to overestimate the runout percentages at all levels.

Game 1. Filler wins lag. (Skill). Makes the wing ball. Has a tough cut on the 1. Has a tough shot on 2. MISSES. On those “easy” 4.5” pockets. ( just saying for the 4” and less advocates). SVB MISSES long straight shot on 2. He’s an 846. Yes, they miss. Filler banks 2 and gets out.

Game 2. Wing ball and 1 go on the break. He had a shot. Hooks himself. Kicks leaving SVB a full view of the ball. SVB misses bank. Filler out.

Game 3. Wing ball, 1 ball, and another ball on break. Tough shot on 2. Misses, leaves it tough. SVB 2 way shot. Misses, leaves safe. Filler makes hit with a jump, leaves SVB a look. SVB misses safe, sells out. Filler misses shape on 3, plays safe. SVB misses kick, gives up bih. Filler out.

Game 4. B&R. Wing hangs, 1 in side. Combo on the 2 and wing ball hanger, run out.

Game 5. Dry break. SVB has shot on 1. Misses. Filler makes a good combo. 7&8 sit funny. He tries to break them out, hits them but has to play a combo. Makes 7-8 combo. Both the 8 on the combo and the 7 wipe their feet on the 4.5” pockets.

6-7-8. 3 pack B&R

Game 9. 1 in side on break plus another ball. Plays safe. SVB kicks hard and hopes. Filler gets out in a run with two easy combos and one carom.

From 2 great players we saw both great play and misses. Shane had chances and didn’t capitalize. I didn’t see anything wrong with the game itself or that it is easy, even for players at the very top..
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Correct. The game as it is isn't easy. Most watching from here wouldn't have run any of those tables under the bright lights and the pressure of who you are playing.
 
Badpenguin said:
As usual, only the chemically-aided 20 somethings will be able to perform at any decent level after 12 to 20 hours of playing today. DCC continues to be plagued by poor leadership refusing to limit the fields and continuing with the bigfoot and banks ring game nonsense.
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What are the young guys playing on these days?
 
If they have any sense, they found a source for that really clean White Cross. Fat girls could get it from almost any Dr. in the 60s, 70s, 80s. Stupid effin crackheads and meth freaks, ruined that sweet deal.
 
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Just in case anyone happens to know, what was the final score between Randy Dutton and Tina Malm in round 2 of the nine ball? It is currently marked as 71% complete at 7-5. Tina lost, apparently.
 
Here are some general/admin stats...

504 names in the system
33 played no match
471 players present
911 matches listed
4 byes
54 forfeits
853 matches played
858 with an indicated duration (waiting for FF for the five others?)

47 tables were available (including the arena table)/
89 minutes average time for a match
The fastest 20 matches were from 15 to 37 minutes (including a few FFs)
The slowest 20 matches were from 155 to 201 minutes (almost 3.5 hours?!)
(Times depend on the players doing the right things with the scoring tablet.)
 
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Bob Jewett said:
The slowest 20 matches were from 155 to 201 minutes (almost 3.5 hours?!)
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Last year a Finnish national championship match on 9-foot tables in the early rounds took over 3 hours for a race to 5 in 10-ball, ending at 5-4. Subtracting the possible bathroom break and warm-up racks, it still was about 3 hours. That's 9x 20 minutes racks in a row. Slowest I've ever seen in 9 or 10-ball.

At our local weekly tournaments (also on 9-footers), a typical race to 5 match takes anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes. Some matches go up to 60-80 min if there's lots of safeties and one or two slower players. Extreme outliers at 80-90 min, never seen over 90min here.

8-ball can take much longer due to the occasional long chess-like safety battles. But that originally mentioned 3h for a race to 5 was something else, I didn't see the match and won't say names (not that anyone would know them here), but heard from people who saw it live that it was really that long and not a scoring bug.

It takes two safety-inclined low level players for such times to be possible. And also a long PSR of 30 seconds at least. Not necessarily even agonizing for 2 mins over individual shots, just missing routine shots over and over and choosing safes when they aren't certain of the pots.
 
Since DigitalPool keeps track of the duration of matches, it's possible to get a rough estimate of the relative speeds of the players. Here are the times per rack for everyone who had played more than 120 racks. These results are watered down because both players in a match get the average time for that match. A Filler/Pinegar match will move both their averages towards the middle (assuming Pinegar shoots ;) )

First number is average minutes per rack, second is the total number of racks played, even if they didn't get to shoot.

3.8 154 Joshua Filler
4.5 157 Shane Van Boening
4.8 125 Arseni Sevastyanov
5.0 142 Gregorio Sanchez
5.3 126 Lee Van Corteza
5.4 122 Roberto Gomez
5.5 152 Eduard Bregu
5.8 133 Nathan Childress
5.9 133 Fedor Gorst
5.9 138 Trenton White
6.1 150 Anthony Meglino
6.3 162 Marco Teutscher
6.5 187 Vitaliy Patsura
6.9 135 Oliver Ruuger
7.1 152 Jonathan Pinegar
7.5 128 Waleed Hashem

If you multiply the two numbers together, you get the total playing time for the player in minutes.
 
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