vintagecollectibles831
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Gosh, even $550 for a shaft seems high to me. The Whyte Carbon is a really great hitting shaft.
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Gosh, even $550 for a shaft seems high to me. The Whyte Carbon is a really great hitting shaft.
vintagecollectibles831
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He is nuts to price the shaft any higher then the Mezz Ignite, or the Triple 60 Whyte Carbon. Lol, even the Fedor Gorst Whyte Carbon is $670, but it is an inch longer, and has a longer taper, for anyone who might think that is an upgrade, or anyone who just wants to try Fedor's special spec shaft.
vintagecollectibles831
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It is made by a custom cue maker in Canada. The CF tube might be the same tube from the Rhino though, lol.
vintagecollectibles831
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For sure, probably pick an existing product and modify it till their liking. Everyone needs to make money, if you invest in time and effort to build your brand, you can sell your product at whatever price you want. But selling a $800 pool product out of nowhere is wild LOL.
Majority of customer today knows better, plus there already hundreds of CF shafts on the market. Of course Alex team understands that, they want to be different than the rest, which makes sense to me. They do not want to compete with Predator or CueTec for the mass market, they aim to a different and smaller group of buyers.
As far as I know, most CF shaft cost less than $50 to make (shipped to your warehouse/garage), some probably less than $10. Taom chalk probably cost less than $1 to make (shipped), hell maybe even10 cents. Of course you have to buy large enough quantity. It's the branding and the trust that make it $20 chalk or $500 shaft. Alex's branding is not yet worth $800 to me today LOL
If what you say is so true, then why do they all hit so different? I have only tried a few CF shafts, and a few custom CF shafts, but they all felt / hit a lot different. I have tried the Jacoby Black, which was a really nice hitting shaft, and I have tried the Whyte Carbon, and that shaft was a game changer for me. Never felt so much power and feedback off of the cue ball, and such an amazing hit before, or after trying that shaft. Did not even have to get used to it. Loved it right away. Very hard to imagine any other CF shaft hitting as nice, or having as much power / feedback, off of the cue ball, as the Whyte Carbon.
vintagecollectibles831
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Even without the Black pad, the Rhino still looks thicker to me, lol.
They modified a bit that's why it hit different. That's the whole point, if it makes you feel good, you will pay $500 - $800 for it. The fact is that with a $2500 butt and $800 shaft, you're still a 500s Fargo who got beaten down left and right everywhere leagues and tournaments though by some 600s and 700s play with a $30 cue from the 90s
vintagecollectibles831
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They modified a bit that's why it hit different. That's the whole point, if it makes you feel good, you will pay $500 - $800 for it. The fact is that with a $2500 butt and $800 shaft, you're still a 500s Fargo who got beaten down left and right everywhere leagues and tournaments though by some 600s and 700s play with a $30 cue from the 90s
Ain't no 600 Level player going to beat me, no matter what cue they are using, lol.
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I believe all the CF tubes are manufactured in a small number of Chinese factories. I seriously doubt Alex’s guy in Canada is actually making the CF tubes. But, and it’s a big but, the tube makers are making the tubes to whatever specifications the shaft maker wants. How thin or thick? What is the taper? Is it the same formula for the CF?
And then there is the rest - what is the filling? What is the ferrule? How is the joint area constructed?
I haven’t had a chance to try Alex’s yet, but I for sure can feel a difference among the major brands.
Rhino buys tubes like most smaller outfits. Gearing up to make tubes is pretty expensive and its far easier to have a tube specialist make them.
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vintagecollectibles831
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I assume cue shaft makers like Triple 60 for example build their own tubes? They are surely not from some cheap $10, or whatever, CF tube, right?
Whyte/Triple as well as Predator, Becue and Cuetec all make their own tubes. Not sure about Mezz i think they have a deal with a tube maker. Same with Jacoby/Pechauer/Meucci. You don't have to make your own tubes to have a good shaft. The main part is assembly execution. Get that right and even a lo-buck tube will be good player. Thinkin seriously about the Raven Pro shaft. 250 bux and very lo squirt. Watched/read reviews and all are good. Hell, u can get a whole cf cue with an ext for under 450bux. They buy tubes and make the cues in Calif.
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I’m curious about what you mean when you say they “make their own tubes”. Do they own the factory that makes them or is the factory exclusively making tubes for them?
I ask because I’ve heard tell that smaller makers are “buying the tubes from the same factory” as Cuetec or Predator or whoever. That could be a BS claim, or it could be that a factory is making tubes for say Cuetec to their specifications and can also make tubes for others using different specifications.
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Jacoby's V4 CF shaft may be an example.
Who else has, as Jacoby claims with its V4 carbon-fiber shaft, "specially machined ferrule and thinner wall thickness near the tip end" with 19 inches of pro taper?
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what it means is they don't sell tubes to other makers. whether they own the factory or they use an exclusive outsourcer is info you can't get. there are multiple asian tube makers that smaller outfits buy from. they are not buying same tubes as becue/cuetec/pred/whyte, these are exclusive to that brand. All those are filament wound and that process requires a very expensive initial investment compared to flag-wrapped tubes like virtually all the others use. Not real sure on Mezz or Longoni, could be in-house or thru a supplier.
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he describes the flag-wrapped method. still doesn't say they make the tube itself. big co, they probably do.
Best thing for you is to wait and pay over $1K
get in while you can when it's "JUST" $800, prices only go up