Dumping - caught

iba7467

iba7467

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I put this in the Action Room forum but figured it deserved to be posted here for those who do not frequent the subforums.
A lot of sh*t blowing up on Facebook as two guys who have been traveling all over the country and taking off big scores were just blasted for arranging a dump. It appears clearly that Sam Gilmer and Thomas Haas coordinated with Joao for him to dump. They were even giving 2-3 games on the wire to up the money they could win knowing they were guaranteed the whole time. I do not share information of this nature that could so greatly damage someone's reputation without high confidence. People are returning money from the match left and right at the moment. Somehow an individual got Thomas Haas' phone and photographed the conversations clearly laying everything out in advance and showing they were all in on it. I know this happens all the time, but it is always a sad day. If you want to find it for yourselves, I left a screenshot of one of the groups with the actual messages.

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I'm of the belief this is more common than most realize.

Years back, I was watching a hyped-up ten ahead match (9 ball). The two players (I don't want to say who) knew each other well and most felt it was a coin flip. Whoever was on that particular day would win. I was suspicious their backers would book that game because after paying off the winner, they were giving odds on something that appeared 50/50.

Within an hour, one player charged out to seven ahead. He was playing great and his opponent looked out of sorts. Then two guys started walking around looking to take bets on the guy that was down seven games. They were going from person to person offering to bet. When they got to me, I assumed they were looking for odds on the money, to my surprise, they were not. I was already suspicious, but when I learned that, there was no way I would bet. Many did though and guess what, the other guy made a huge comeback and won.

I could be wrong, I guess, but I'm pretty sure the whole match was just to scam the rail for whatever they could.
 
its always been that way. not just in pool. suckers are taken for their money that have to bet where they have no control over the outcome.

then they complain and dont ever consider stupidity has a price.
 
Can not believe Thomis did this. He’s literally the nicest guy you’ll meet. Always polite. Doesn’t even swear. Hell of a players. He’s been winning big money . Just took down the amateur at the expo and then won another 20k that night gambling so he didn’t need the money. Text don’t lie though.. he did it. Would love to know what was going through his head.
 
I’ve heard Sam’s sister is the one who let this info out. Idk this to be a fact but what I heard. If true I wonder what he did to piss her off.
 
trob said:
Can not believe Thomis did this. He’s literally the nicest guy you’ll meet. Always polite. Doesn’t even swear. Hell of a players. He’s been winning big money . Just took down the amateur at the expo and then won another 20k that night gambling so he didn’t need the money. Text don’t lie though.. he did it. Would love to know what was going through his head.
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Most people who steal don't need what they're stealing.
 
The gist is kids playing for money is a problem.

Shortstop trying to make a living playing pool is a problem.

Unless things change nothing is going to change
 
trob said:
Can not believe Thomis did this. He’s literally the nicest guy you’ll meet. Always polite. Doesn’t even swear. Hell of a players. He’s been winning big money . Just took down the amateur at the expo and then won another 20k that night gambling so he didn’t need the money. Text don’t lie though.. he did it. Would love to know what was going through his head.
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Those types are often the slimiest.
 
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