Justin Bergman vs Tom Cousins

just speaking out my butt, but im guessing 5k winner 3k loser.

or if the ppv is bigger 10 and say 6k.

there is a bigger game down at the local bar, i think i will go watch that instead.
 
Positively Ralf said:
If I had known about this earlier I would have put money on Tom Cousins. I like Bergman but those UK players are on a whole different level of playing 8 ball on smaller tables. Like others have said, it's mainly because they see patterns better and Tom Cousins moves around the table without a care in the world. Seriously, it looked like nothing ever bothers that guy.

On a side note, and I'm sure it's because of the KC open and the UP promoters did not want this to be any longer, but a race to 30 barbox 8 ball for $100k? I do not care for these dopey long set matches, but does anyone else think it should have been a race to 50?
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is tom welsh? he walks around like mark williams, who also doesn't have a care in the world
 
SBC said:
Im
I'm a donkey....broke and ran a 12 pack in barbox 8 ball. It isn't anywhere as hard as running a 5 pack in 9 ball on a 9 footer.

For pros bartable 8 ball is just too easy of a game.
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But that’s what makes the game hard. Because the other guy can do that too. Pressure matters. I don’t know you and I try not to generalize too much or disparage so pardon this…but that 12pack likely wasn’t in the heat. When the other guy can keep you sitting for a half hour it’s different. There’s a reason why it doesn’t happen even in pro events with the best in the world with extremely rare exceptions.

I’ve got a couple double digit ones myself but they don’t really count cuz it was for nothing. My largest pack of BB8 that matters is 5 and you better believe I’ve had many chances to beat that lol. *woof woof
 
skor said:
well that's not my argument.
8ball is a different game and it's just as hard if not harder. the difficulties are in different aspects of the games so really hard to compare and should not be compared.

My argument is that 8ball on a barbox with big pockets is not as hard as 8ball on a tight 9ft table. in fact it's much easier and having pros play in such conditions is nothing more that a joke, cheap
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Burns said:
30-25. He made a nice comeback at the end, but too late. Both played really well for most of it. Justin's break let him down, but when Tom made a mistake, he really capitalized on it. I think a rematch would be much closer.
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Not making excuses for Justin, but coul his new cue maybe have been a factor in the loss?
 
fuggles said:
Did you do a break stat on one of the Ultimate Pool events? I thought I saw one but I can't find it.
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Here are 4 threads I have done on Ultimate Pool USA events:
 
8intheside said:
Not making excuses for Justin, but coul his new cue maybe have been a factor in the loss?
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I'm thinking he was still getting used to it, but his problem seemed to be with his break, either scratching or coming up dry. He started having success with it after changing it up, then missed once and switched it again. I believe Johnny went to him and relayed some advice from Appleton to go back to the break that was working. He did that and things started coming together. His position play and shot making seemed pretty typical of him.
 
skor said:
Check the stats
There are less runouts in 9ball with WNT rules than you might think.
But why compare to 9ball?
Why not compare to 8ball on 9ft tables with tight pockets.
I doubt if Tom tries out a big 8ball event, that he will get far, definitely not at start without enough practice and experience.
Put him on a 9ft table with 4 inch pockets against Filler and he’ll get smoked, same for Bergman…
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Filler would smoke a lot of people. Not sure how Tom would cope with 9ft table, not sure if he's played much snooker. He definitely wouldn't be phased by 4 inch pockets. U.S pool balls are 2.25 inches so they still only take up 62.5% of a pocket, which is the same ratio of ball size to pocket size in English pool. I'd argue English pool tables 4 of the pockets are cut in a tougher way to pot into (used to play English pool and now play 9 ball on a 9ft table with 4 inch pockets and potting a ball down a rail is 100 times easier on the American table), but I think the cut of the side pockets is maybe tougher on an American table. Arguably the biggest thing for Tom to adjust to is the cue ball being the same size as the object balls (obviously didn't hold him back against Bergman though).
 
uk_9_ball_convert said:
Filler would smoke a lot of people. Not sure how Tom would cope with 9ft table, not sure if he's played much snooker. He definitely wouldn't be phased by 4 inch pockets. U.S pool balls are 2.25 inches so they still only take up 62.5% of a pocket, which is the same ratio of ball size to pocket size in English pool. I'd argue English pool tables 4 of the pockets are cut in a tougher way to pot into (used to play English pool and now play 9 ball on a 9ft table with 4 inch pockets and potting a ball down a rail is 100 times easier on the American table), but I think the cut of the side pockets is maybe tougher on an American table. Arguably the biggest thing for Tom to adjust to is the cue ball being the same size as the object balls (obviously didn't hold him back against Bergman though).
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I agree that english pool table pocket that are similar to snooker table are harder than American pool tables. But ball to pocket ratio is just part of the story, the balls are heavier and bigger and requires a different stroke to get around, especially on a 9ft table vs the 7ft barbox or english 6ft tables. I'm sure that he could be very good with practice.
But people are watching him play 8ball now on 7ft tables with big pockets and think that it's harder than 8ball on 9ft tables with tight pockets, my argument is if you drop him NOW in a big pro WPA 8ball event, he won't get far.
Darren Appleton and Karl Boyes made the switch from English pool to American pool and became great players but it didn't happened over night and they didn't switch to barboxes with buckets for pockets... they were also younger than Tom when they switched.

My general argument is really not about Tom or any specific player, it's about 8ball on 7ft tables with huge pockets vs 8ball on pro 9ft tables and that some claim that the 7ft is harder... it's obviously not
 
fuggles said:
Not as easy as 8 ball on a 9ft.
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Except there isn't one tough shot on a barbox for a good player who is used to playing on 9 footers. So its all about the cueball and adhering to 8 ball strategy to get through racks or duck if you can't.
 
SBC said:
Except there isn't one tough shot on a barbox for a good player who is used to playing on 9 footers. So its all about the cueball and adhering to 8 ball strategy to get through racks or duck if you can't.
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There are more clusters. They happen more often even after good breaks. While any pro has a very good chance (and even a decent player has some chance) of breaking them up and leaving a shot, they are not 100% - so there is a degree of toughness to them, even more so for 9ft players.
 
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