Straight arm or no straight arm?

Well, first off, I was talkin' about snooker players -- not pool, not 3C. ...
I think the default bridge arm for snooker players -- on unhampered shots -- is with the elbow on the table. That will make the arm slightly bent or at least the elbow not locked. The elbow on the table is part of getting the chin rubbing on the cue, which many of them do. Where a lot of snooker players really get bent is on rail shots. Here are some examples from a recent tournament. Evidently, you can play OK bent or unbent.

Zhao Xintong
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John Higgins
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Judd Trump
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Mark Williams
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I think the default bridge arm for snooker players -- on unhampered shots -- is with the elbow on the table. That will make the arm slightly bent or at least the elbow not locked. The elbow on the table is part of getting the chin rubbing on the cue, which many of them do. Where a lot of snooker players really get bent is on rail shots. Here are some examples from a recent tournament. Evidently, you can play OK bent or unbent.

Zhao Xintong
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John Higgins
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Judd Trump
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Mark Williams
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Well sure, for some on the cushion, which are the shots you posted but not always -- what about on the bed of the table without being close to the pocket, a cushion, or another ball?

It depends. But mostly I think they go with a straight arm.

Lou Figueroa.
 

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See Post #41!

You 'Think'!

Do You see any 'Snooker' players? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Good grief, learn to read (haven't used that one in a long time).

The CB is close to the cushion and they are adjusting/compensating. See Post #37 -- since you like to do that, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 
So as you get older your body changes and so does your game. I’ve been playing for 35 years. For example I took my glasses off when I played for years. My left eye was great and I was a right handed player who was left eye dominant. Then at some point during Covid my left eye left the chat lol i couldn’t read the numbers on the ball standing next to the table.
Now I’ve been noticing I have some pain in my left shoulder when I’m playing after about an hour. I noticed yesterday watching Neil’s play Svb he lets his left elbow break down where I was always taught to keep that arm straight. Talked to a friend who takes lessons from the Neil’s and he said yeah I changed to that a while back. It gets me over the ball better. Half way through a straight pool match yesterday I started feeling that pain so I changed my stroke. Felt more solid and yes I felt more over the ball 🤷. I guess a few multiple hour practice sessions and it will be 2nd nature and that will be my new stroke.

What changes have you all old timers like me had to make ? lol what’s next
I felt it too.. Got shoulder replacement surgery in my left last June (I play left handed) and I'm about to get it in my right too. Just call me the bionic pool player.
 
He thinks his shit hurts at 54!!
I'm only 52, but when I had the orthoscopic surgery on my right shoulder when I was 25, the surgeon said I had the arthritis of a 60 year old. I promise you I hurt at 52. I hurt at rest while on vicodin. Now the surgeon is saying that if I don't get replacement surgery on my right shoulder soon, it might not be fixable. The arthritis in my right shoulder now is ridiculously bad.

Don't judge pain solely on age. With my right shoulder though it is just pain (well and instability). My left shoulder I had no rotator cuff movement at all, my shoulder would only move by raising and lowering my shoulder blade. Before I couldn't play jump shots at all. Now I jump like a mad man. So I can't wait to see what happens when I have both shoulders in working order.
 
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... It depends. But mostly I think they go with a straight arm. ...
But they don't have the elbow locked, as I mentioned. So the arm is straightish. Try a straight arm with your elbow touching the cloth.

What surprises me is that they have so much bend on rail shots when they could have a locked elbow. I see no reason to have the arm bent then.
 
But they don't have the elbow locked, as I mentioned. So the arm is straightish. Try a straight arm with your elbow touching the cloth.

What surprises me is that they have so much bend on rail shots when they could have a locked elbow. I see no reason to have the arm bent then.
Other than vision issues, what's the deal with straight arm bridging? I'm of the opinion that the stick is stable enough to shoot straight.
 
I'm only 52, but when I had the orthoscopic surgery on my right shoulder when I was 25, the surgeon said I had the arthritis of a 60 year old. I promise you I hurt at 52. I hurt at rest while on vicodin. Now the surgeon is saying that if I don't get replacement surgery on my right shoulder soon, it might not be fixable. The arthritis in my right shoulder now is ridiculously bad.

Don't judge pain solely on age. With my right shoulder though it is just pain (well and instability). My left shoulder I had no rotator cuff movement at all, my shoulder would only move by raising and lowering my shoulder blade. Before I couldn't play jump shots at all. Now I jump like a mad man. So I can't wait to see what happens when I have both shoulders in working order.
Solely, no...and as you shared, n+0 feels better than n+10 for us.
 
But they don't have the elbow locked, as I mentioned. So the arm is straightish. Try a straight arm with your elbow touching the cloth.

What surprises me is that they have so much bend on rail shots when they could have a locked elbow. I see no reason to have the arm bent then.

I think you can be said to have a straight bridge arm without a locked elbow.

I would speculate that the bent arm for rail shots allows them to get their heads lower for sighting.

Lou Figueroa
 
Other than vision issues, what's the deal with straight arm bridging? I'm of the opinion that the stick is stable enough to shoot straight.

I think with itty bitty balls and pockets and 12' of green anything you can do for added precision and stability is bettar.

Lou Figueroa
 
it just doesnt matter and is personal preference. people here are trying too hard to make pool a simple formula so they can either get better quicker, or think whatever they are doing is perfect.

the effect it is wrong for them to change things that feel natural.

take pro baseball players. they all have a different stance, swing ,and way they look at the ball coming at them at 90 miles per hour.

why don't they standardize it like the pool players are trying to do. its because they use their natural feel and talent to hit the ball.
 
it just doesnt matter and is personal preference. people here are trying too hard to make pool a simple formula so they can either get better quicker, or think whatever they are doing is perfect.

the effect it is wrong for them to change things that feel natural.

take pro baseball players. they all have a different stance, swing ,and way they look at the ball coming at them at 90 miles per hour.

why don't they standardize it like the pool players are trying to do. its because they use their natural feel and talent to hit the ball.

ya but, snooker is a different kettle of fish -- never mentioned pool (particularly on 7' tables).

I think at snooker you need to do what you can you help yourself in terms of stability and accuracy.

Lou Figueroa
 
it just doesnt matter and is personal preference. people here are trying too hard to make pool a simple formula so they can either get better quicker, or think whatever they are doing is perfect.

the effect it is wrong for them to change things that feel natural.

take pro baseball players. they all have a different stance, swing ,and way they look at the ball coming at them at 90 miles per hour.

why don't they standardize it like the pool players are trying to do. its because they use their natural feel and talent to hit the ball.
Yes but they all look at the ball, or they strike out. It's the same with pool. They all do not decelerate through the ball on contact or they miss.

There are lots of ways to make sure you don't decelerate at contact, or that you accelerate at contact. Some are better for some players. Most people don't realize the biomechanics of Shane's stroke as an example because he appears to decelerate the cue at times at contact. i analyzed them and his stroke is unique in the way it accelerates at contact.
 
best stroke keeps its same speed, from a little before the cue ball to some short time after.

if cue stick is truly accelerating, how can you be precise in the speed when it hits the cue ball.
 
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