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Scottster
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I believe this is known as "The Ladder" getting to the 3 to the 4 is tough! Position in this drill is imperative
I believe this is known as "The Ladder" getting to the 3 to the 4 is tough! Position in this drill is imperative
Great drill.
Looks fun.
Looks fun.
Actually....once you know the patterns to that drill, its very easy.
I play the ghost against that drill in a race to 9 and usually beat the ghost 9-2 or 9-3 !!
Just kiddin.......*
****
Russ....
I play the ghost against that drill in a race to 9 and usually beat the ghost 9-2 or 9-3 !!
Just kiddin.......*
**** Russ....
There are several variations of the Ladder. I first saw a couple of versions on a Kinister tape.
A more doable version has no balls on the short rail and it is not rotation.
You just move up the ladder as follows:
2-8
3-9
Then turn around and shoot
11-5
12-6
the OBs are set 1 ball width from the rails.
It ain't easy.
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A more doable version has no balls on the short rail and it is not rotation.
You just move up the ladder as follows:
2-8
3-9
Then turn around and shoot
11-5
12-6
the OBs are set 1 ball width from the rails.
It ain't easy.
(-:
I teach a variation of this drill, but use all 15 balls. They do not need to be shot in rotation, but there are several "rules". First, no misses...also no banks, combos, and the CB may not touch another OB. To top it off, you must verbally identify 3rd ball position, each time you stand down on the table, BEFORE you shoot (this is the most likely rule to forget). My personal best at this drill is 45 balls, or three clearances without a miss. Tell you one thing...this drill will improve your shotmaking with balls frozen on the rails!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
i was in Mexico in the 80's and went into a pool room, i was perhaps the only white boy ever there, it was great. Anyways they racked the balls like in the diagram in the begginning of this post, that was the game-I watched it for a couple hours and I couldnt ever figure it out, what the objective was they were gambling. No one there spoke ANY english and with my broken spanish I couldnt communicate enough with the other rail birds to learn what the hell they were doing. Great guys and we all had fun. i believe the cloth on the table was on the table for perhaps 30 years, man the equipment was in rough shape. It was a very old room. Had a great time, I love pool halls in Mexico. I'll tell some of my war stories sometime about them. Viva Mexico!!!!
Fatboy......next time you are in town I'll take you over to Good Times in Van Nuys and you can watch the Mexican guy's play that exact same game you watched in Mexico !!!!*
I watched them play it also and for the life of me, I couldn't figure it out.
Russ.....
I watched them play it also and for the life of me, I couldn't figure it out.
Russ.....
Secaucus Fats
Banned
Variations of that game exist throughout Latin America. In Cuba it is known as "Chicago", in Peru it is called "Minga" and, in Chile it is known as "jardinera".
It is a rotation game. As far as money..each ball is worth a pre-agreed amount of money from every other player.
If not playing for money, point values are attached to each ball via the balls numbers. The winner is the player who gets the highest point count.
In some variations, a ball other than the object ball, which is pocketed after the cueball has made contact with the OB is good, in others it's a foul. It never hurts to know the rules before you play.
I was told that the game originated in Chicago IL and that it became popular with and thrived in the Hispanic communities of Chicago and spread from there to various countries in Latin America. I have no way of knowing if this is true, so perhaps one of our more learned pool historians will chime in.
Fats
It is a rotation game. As far as money..each ball is worth a pre-agreed amount of money from every other player.
If not playing for money, point values are attached to each ball via the balls numbers. The winner is the player who gets the highest point count.
In some variations, a ball other than the object ball, which is pocketed after the cueball has made contact with the OB is good, in others it's a foul. It never hurts to know the rules before you play.
I was told that the game originated in Chicago IL and that it became popular with and thrived in the Hispanic communities of Chicago and spread from there to various countries in Latin America. I have no way of knowing if this is true, so perhaps one of our more learned pool historians will chime in.
Fats
Secaucus Fats said:
I don't know about its origins, but it's played by latinos wherever I've gone. In Belize (where they put Dixie cups in the pockets of coin-op tables) they call it simply "straight pool".
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Secaucus Fats said:
The Mexicans come in the local pool room here and play this game. I never asked them either what it was about, but, I can definitely tell you they are not using it as a DRILL..
They just bang the balls around. It seems like the more balls they roll, the better.
Anyway, here is another drill that I saw someone use one time that I thought was interesting. Also gives you the opportunity to travel end to end and back and forth across the table.
Start with BIH, rotation and you can't touch any other balls during the run. Teaches you that position shape on balls by the side pocket. At first, you can also place them down further to the middle diamond if this is too tough.
Enjoy
I know this thread is really old, but thought the info below might be useful to someone.
Mike McCafferty, on his blog "Diary of a Pool Shooter" has an article about his favorite player, his long time coach, Tony Sorto. In the article is a video of Tony running out all 15 balls of a game he calls Honduran Rotation. I think it's the game you guys are referring to. It's a great video and the article's pretty good, too.
Mike McCafferty, on his blog "Diary of a Pool Shooter" has an article about his favorite player, his long time coach, Tony Sorto. In the article is a video of Tony running out all 15 balls of a game he calls Honduran Rotation. I think it's the game you guys are referring to. It's a great video and the article's pretty good, too.
klockdoc's diagram is the mississippi 9B drill. I evolved that a bit to a 10B drill as you will see below.
Here are the drills I use...(just not often enough!)...look at how old these cuetables are from my old post on the subject!
I even posted a video of myself running a variation of the 10B drill on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWb22_gzBxc
Here are the drills I use...(just not often enough!)...look at how old these cuetables are from my old post on the subject!
I even posted a video of myself running a variation of the 10B drill on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWb22_gzBxc
I used to run through this setup every once in a while to tighten up position and get comfortable cutting balls down the rail. You can shoot the balls in any order.
I picked up on the "Mississippi 9B Drill" from this thread-->
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=64039
I've tried it and its much harder than it looks. Once I feel comfortable with that, I will step it up to these...
Tougher...
Toughest...
I lived in Mexico for about a year...
I lived down in Mexico for about a year and there was a pool hall just up the street from my condo. I would walk up there sometimes to practice, but the only game I ever played against anyone was 3 cushion...I'm not that good at 3 cushion though, I think the last time I played was against Victor Castro down at college in San Diego and he won, I think we averaged between .75 and .8.
Jaden
I lived down in Mexico for about a year and there was a pool hall just up the street from my condo. I would walk up there sometimes to practice, but the only game I ever played against anyone was 3 cushion...I'm not that good at 3 cushion though, I think the last time I played was against Victor Castro down at college in San Diego and he won, I think we averaged between .75 and .8.
Jaden
From an ancient Brunswick booklet:
CHICAGO POCKET BILLIARDS
This game is played with the numbered balls from 1 to 15 and a
white cue-ball, as in Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards, the object being
to play upon and pocket the balls in their numerical order.
The table is laid out for the game by placing the one-ball against
the end cushion at the first right-hand diamond sight at the foot of
the table, as seen in the diagram; the two-ball is placed at the centre
diamond sight on same cushion; the remaining thirteen balls are placed
in the order of their numbers at the succeeding diamond sights, as
shown in the diagram. All things being equal, it is immaterial which
36 Billiard Rules
way the numbers run in setting the balls, for they may also be set so
that the one-ball is placed on that diamond sight which, when standing
at the head of the table and looking toward the foot or lower end,
appears as the left-hand diamond sight on the end rail, with the threeball
placed at the right, etc.
The three sights on the end rail at head of the table are not occupied
by any ball.
In opening the game the order of play is determined by throwing
out small numbered balls, as in Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards, and he
whose first play it may be strikes the cue-ball from any point within
the string line.
The opening stroke must be to strike the one-ball. If that ball
is holed it is placed to the credit of the player, and he continues his
hand until he fails to score, but in continuing he must play each time
upon the ball bearing the lowest number on the table. After playing
upon that ball, however, should any other be pocketed by the same
stroke, irrespective of its number, it shall be placed to the player's
credit so pocketing it.
If the line of aim at the ball required to be hit is covered by another
ball, the player may resort to a bank play or masse, etc., but should
he fail to hit the required ball he forfeits three, receiving a scratch.
Should a ball be holed by a foul stroke it is replaced upon the spot
it occupied at the opening of the game, but should it be the 8,9, 10 or
11 ball so holed, they being within the string, and the cue-ball in hand,
then the balls specified are to be placed upon the pyramid or red-ball
spot, or should that be occupied, as near to it as is possible, as in
Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards.
The player having the lowest aggregate score is required to pay
for general refreshment for all in the game. The player having the
second lowest score pays for the game.
The rules of Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards govern Chicago Pocket
Billiards, except where they conflict with the foregoing rules.
CHICAGO POCKET BILLIARDS
This game is played with the numbered balls from 1 to 15 and a
white cue-ball, as in Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards, the object being
to play upon and pocket the balls in their numerical order.
The table is laid out for the game by placing the one-ball against
the end cushion at the first right-hand diamond sight at the foot of
the table, as seen in the diagram; the two-ball is placed at the centre
diamond sight on same cushion; the remaining thirteen balls are placed
in the order of their numbers at the succeeding diamond sights, as
shown in the diagram. All things being equal, it is immaterial which
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way the numbers run in setting the balls, for they may also be set so
that the one-ball is placed on that diamond sight which, when standing
at the head of the table and looking toward the foot or lower end,
appears as the left-hand diamond sight on the end rail, with the threeball
placed at the right, etc.
The three sights on the end rail at head of the table are not occupied
by any ball.
In opening the game the order of play is determined by throwing
out small numbered balls, as in Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards, and he
whose first play it may be strikes the cue-ball from any point within
the string line.
The opening stroke must be to strike the one-ball. If that ball
is holed it is placed to the credit of the player, and he continues his
hand until he fails to score, but in continuing he must play each time
upon the ball bearing the lowest number on the table. After playing
upon that ball, however, should any other be pocketed by the same
stroke, irrespective of its number, it shall be placed to the player's
credit so pocketing it.
If the line of aim at the ball required to be hit is covered by another
ball, the player may resort to a bank play or masse, etc., but should
he fail to hit the required ball he forfeits three, receiving a scratch.
Should a ball be holed by a foul stroke it is replaced upon the spot
it occupied at the opening of the game, but should it be the 8,9, 10 or
11 ball so holed, they being within the string, and the cue-ball in hand,
then the balls specified are to be placed upon the pyramid or red-ball
spot, or should that be occupied, as near to it as is possible, as in
Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards.
The player having the lowest aggregate score is required to pay
for general refreshment for all in the game. The player having the
second lowest score pays for the game.
The rules of Fifteen-ball Pocket Billiards govern Chicago Pocket
Billiards, except where they conflict with the foregoing rules.