Pretty sure it is an additional thing- 8b is the main thing. And I think it’s the new Brunswick BB - I remember Archer saying on a live stream some time ago he was getting them for his then new pool room.
Class Move by Tyler Styer in Iowa, 10 Ball Showdown , against Justin Bergman
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Pretty sure it is an additional thing- 8b is the main thing. And I think it’s the new Brunswick BB - I remember Archer saying on a live stream some time ago he was getting them for his then new pool room.
Anyone who did not know exactly which ball Justin was intending to pocket should not be an official.
middleofnowhere
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The key phrases if there is any chance of confusion. In this case there would be no chance of confusion by anyone.
InsertCleverNameHere
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Pretty classy. Love to see it. Wish there were more moments like this in our game. Some would say doing the right thing shouldn't be celebrated but I disagree.
I remember that. Some Chinese guy. Bad scene all around. Nit vs Gangsters...
middleofnowhere
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There is some debate about the wording of the rule. Assuming the rule is you have to call everything, where do you draw the line on what rules to ignore?
I agree - those rules say only say non-obvious shots "should" be called. So even if non-obvious, it's not obvious that you must call it. If they mean must, they should say "must". And then you need to define "non-obvious". perhaps with an "i.e." instead of an "e.g.". And the Ultimate Pool rule implies that's it's the ref's responsibility to ask if they think the shot is not obvious. Needs some work there.
Yes, I think that's correct. I sometimes play a guy from the DR and The Rules are part of the game. If you're playing call shot and make any combination/carom/billiard/kick without calling it, expect to lose your turn (or get into a discussion.) His English is worse than my Spanish, so at first there was some delay in play.
But it's not him trying to get one over, just a different style of play. I've got no problem with it. (A pleasure to play with; quick to call fouls on himself, shoots fast, no sharking despite the reputation. And never a problem making a game.)Good that you talked to them. The foul call was incorrect given the wording of the rule. They SHOULD change it because the plain meaning of the rule means you don’t HAVE to call any shot unless asked by opponent or ref, but you SHOULD. I have only played the league format, but UP stresses the strict rule on intentional fouls and touching moving balls. Agree with those rules or not, UP stresses them. I can see how the ref might forget the application of the rule in that spot, but you are right, it should have been loss of game for Tyler.
Great playing BTW.
I think the problem with this rule in particular is - you don't really have obvious shots when dealing with most amateurs. So if it's a call shot game, all specialty shots should be called. The professional player IS different. Their intentions are more discernable. When amateurs and professionals play by the same rules, these sorts of things are going to happen.
Nice to see one of our own holding down the fort. Nice shooting E.
I agree Sith you. Justin didn't actually foul by NOT calling the combo, just lost his turn. The ref did tell me that Tyler simply could have told the ref that he'd like to "turn the table back over to Justin" rather than doing what he did.
He could have.
ZenmasterBear
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Watched the event and it's fun to see these pros having a blast playing. All the pros are very classy and complimentary of their fellow players. Tyler shouldn't get all the hate he does, because it isn't deserved. That one dude yelling in the crowd was annoying and I wish someone would have had the balls to tell him to just be quiet.
Kind of dumb if you ask me that 8 ball is no called shot, but 10 ball is. I love that they made 8 no-called. It makes it way more aggressive, and we see hail mary shots. To take that away from a rotation game of 10 ball seems ass backwards. Plus, they went a step further and have the nit rules of call obvious combos, even when their written rules do not require it.
InsertCleverNameHere
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Up to the player to decide. Personally, I would rather not win based on a technicality but hey you do you.
Bob: next rewrite of any rule set you are part of.... please at the very top write:
"Don't be a nit. This supersedes anything else in this document."
"Don't be a nit. This supersedes anything else in this document."
There was a similar thing in a 3c tournament where the ref awarded player (caudron?) with a point and player disagreed.
Player took next shot and missed intentionally.
Let the game and not the rules declare a winner...good stuff
Player took next shot and missed intentionally.
Let the game and not the rules declare a winner...good stuff
Kazakis and his opponent both just did the same. But sort of opposite. Kazakis had a brain fart and thought the opponent didn't hit the lowest ball, and grabbed the cb for bih. Opponent said he hit it (he did). Ref awarded opponent bih. Opponent put cb where Kazakis picked it up from, and told Kazakis to shoot. Kazakis insisted opponent had bih because it was his own mistake. As I was watching it all I was thinking was this is a circle jerk. haha. But the truth is neither was trying to be a nit.