What, in your opinion, is the minimum Fargo you should have before entering a WNT Open?

u12armresl said:
The DCC is totally different due to the draw mechanism. There might be 60 or more dead money entries, and you guys could literally keep drawing each other and get into the later rounds without having to catch an actual player.
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Seen brackets at Turning Stone allow 650-680s to win 7th and 8th a few times.
 
you want to play with big name pros. make a game with them and get spotted instead of playing even in a tournament. then you truly can have a chance and be a favorite if you make the game right.

ive done it and won big money, and that is better than beating one in a tournament and not getting any money back anyway.

plus many will play you cheap and give some personal instruction.
 
If you just want the experience of playing with the pros, then any Fargo rating is fine. If you are a young guy trying to make it as a pro you need to be a minimum of 700 Fargo before you start getting your feet wet playing against them. Your goal would be to learn and maybe win a few games.
 
wlycdgr said:
Follow up question: if spots are limited and you are towards/at the low end of the Fargo range, do you think etiquette requires waiting to register until late, to give as many higher rated players as possible a chance to register before you? Or is it first come first serve, and tough luck to any 810 full time pro who was hoping to make a few bucks but forgot to early-reg? Is it on the organizers to implement a "players below X rating must wait until the week before to register" type rule?
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The Florida Open had 238 out of 256 players. 5 were no-shows, the rest were slots never filled. Matchroom would probably be thrilled to have anyone fill those slots.
 
I played in the Florida Open last year as a 570. I drew Kazakis first round. I had a nice time, and enjoyed playing in a full-production pro event.

If the fields are small elite fields of 16 or 32, or a World Championship, then absolutely, it should be top players only.

If its 128 or 256 man Open fields that they can't fill, then yes, let anyone with the entry in.
 
wlycdgr said:
It's been on my mind recently with Galeforce (~600) popping up again at the Vice City Classic.

Gemini AI says ~550 or so.

What do you think? Is Gemini right? Or is that number higher/lower for you? The number where, if someone entered a WNT Open with that Fargo, you wouldn't think they were being a disrespectful jackass. And, does it depend on the specific tournament / anything else?
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To give anonymity, I'm not going to be specific...

A guy from my pool hall played. He was on the lower end of the Fargo ratings in the field and lost in wipeouts.

He is a decent player, but beyond that he knows the etiquette, plays in a professional manner, honors the event and the opportunity to play, wants experience in that arena of the sport, added money to the prize pool, and as far as I know did not keep anyone else out of the field*.

So, I say good for him. In fact, I respect him for entering and meeting some of his own objectives in the sport.

*Did this field hit the cap? If so, players that are stronger should register earlier. If better players are kept out, the event could add a minimum Fargo to enter (even "open" events can have minimums for who they are open to. "Open" does not mean anyone gets to play in tennis, golf, etc...).
 
maha said:
you want to play with big name pros. make a game with them and get spotted instead of playing even in a tournament. then you truly can have a chance and be a favorite if you make the game right.

ive done it and won big money, and that is better than beating one in a tournament and not getting any money back anyway.

plus many will play you cheap and give some personal instruction.
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I play all the big dogs around me whenever I get the chance just for that reason! I can play a 790 fargo races to 8 for $50 several times per week. I win maybe one out of every 4-5 sets, so it's a bit cheaper! Anytime I want during the set I can ask what their thoughts are on the situation. I learn a lot!
 
easy-e said:
I play all the big dogs around me whenever I get the chance just for that reason! I can play a 790 fargo races to 8 for $50 several times per week. I win maybe one out of every 4-5 sets, so it's a bit cheaper! Anytime I want during the set I can ask what their thoughts are on the situation. I learn a lot!
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yea thats the way to do it. and you must play 750 or higher anyway. and i suspect higher in reality.

but maybe make a little better game :)
 
easy-e said:
I play all the big dogs around me whenever I get the chance just for that reason! I can play a 790 fargo races to 8 for $50 several times per week. I win maybe one out of every 4-5 sets, so it's a bit cheaper! Anytime I want during the set I can ask what their thoughts are on the situation. I learn a lot!
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I play in a league where the average player is at least 150 Fargo higher than me for this reason. It has definitely forced me to improve to be competitive.

For lower ranked folks in tournaments, I've got a friend on a league team that's like a 450 Fargo and signed up for the Texas Open. He's been playing really well recently, but I can't imagine he makes it more than a couple rounds. He decided to do it because however slim there is a chance he could play Fedor or SVB.

For me, I'm hoping one of them offers exhibition matches for folks to play them for money. I'd pay $100 to play a quick set with one of them
just to say I did.
 
Frosty said:
Perhaps you dislike the term because in your heart of hearts, you know that it’s true. Sure, there might be a day that the stars align correctly and you’re at peak form and a more seasoned and experienced opponent is off his form and you get an upset victory over them, but mostly that’s a freak occurrence.

Many players desire to compete against elite competition and that’s admirable. It just seems to be the Achilles heel of a lot of pool players that they are not realistic about what their true skill level is as compared to their opponents. If you don’t like the term donating, perhaps the term dead money is more preferable?
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Okay, I will put it another way, so that maybe you will understand my point. When you pay for a pool lesson, do you consider that Donating? I would not. I would think of playing in a Pro event innthe same way that I would think of taking a lesson from a pro, but (abd this is a big but), I might enjoy the experience far more, depending on who I got to play, innthe Pro event.

Hope you understand my point. Not Donating. Paying for the Experience. Dead Money is also a really dumb term to use for the possibly great experience, of maybe getting to play a top pro.

Hope I put my point across better, and you understand now.
 
easy-e said:
I play all the big dogs around me whenever I get the chance just for that reason! I can play a 790 fargo races to 8 for $50 several times per week. I win maybe one out of every 4-5 sets, so it's a bit cheaper! Anytime I want during the set I can ask what their thoughts are on the situation. I learn a lot!
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That shit will make you stronger in more ways than one.
Thot you was a big dawg E!!
 
JasonATX said:
For lower ranked folks in tournaments, I've got a friend on a league team that's like a 450 Fargo and signed up for the Texas Open. He's been playing really well recently, but I can't imagine he makes it more than a couple rounds. He decided to do it because however slim there is a chance he could play Fedor or SVB.

For me, I'm hoping one of them offers exhibition matches for folks to play them for money. I'd pay $100 to play a quick set with one of them
just to say I did.
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just ask them to play a set with you for x amount of dollars and also give you help and instruction. most will when they have time.

and it doesn't have to be the best. there are lots of great players in most areas that can do the same thing.

heck, efren used to play weak players 10 bucks a game and help them out. cant get any higher up the ladder than that.
 
maha said:
just ask them to play a set with you for x amount of dollars and also give you help and instruction. most will when they have time.

and it doesn't have to be the best. there are lots of great players in most areas that can do the same thing.

heck, efren used to play weak players 10 bucks a game and help them out. cant get any higher up the ladder than that.
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I expect no instruction, but I would welcome it.
 
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