CJ Wiley: flat earther

[ShootingArts]

Go check out some of the FB flat-earth'rs. They are serious about this shit. Complete fkn idiots.

I read some people's writing and just hope they are doing like I used to do years ago. I would lead a person or a group I was standing in down logical steps, none of which could be disputed. Since each thing could have more than one answer it was possible for every step to be true and the end conclusion ridiculous. Yet nobody could say any one conclusion was false in itself!

I once worked alongside people of fairly low intelligence who had some strange beliefs. This was a bit weird to me. What was really weird though were intelligent, well educated people, wo had gotten some really strange ideas along the way.

I assume that most full time pool players are fairly uneducated. Probably less true of the younger generations but I think in my early days from the sixties to the eighties it was true. I don't mean to say that pool players were unintelligent, just that they had went down paths that resulted in little formal education.

Efren is a fine example. Almost certainly highly intelligent, also fairly certain he would score very poorly on an IQ test due to very little formal education. We always struggle to discern between IQ and education.

Hu

 

[Chris]

We always struggle to discern between IQ and education.

To paraphrase Aristotle:

Intelligence × knowledge (i.e., education) = insightfulness.
Insightfulness × experience = wisdom.

Personally, I've never encountered a dumb wise person, an uneducated wise person, or a young wise person. OTOH, I have encountered plenty of intelligent uneducated folks, educated folks who aren't terribly intelligent, and old folks who don't really understand much about the world or how it works.

 

[Cleveland_Rocks]

I think that CJ might just be clowning with this. Think about it, the sun, moon and earth as a 3 ball combination? It seems too funny to be a serious statement from him. Any spheres that interact to him are another version of a combination shot in pool it would appear!

Hey CJ - is Sagittarius A*, the Milky Way's supermassive black hole the corner pocket or the side pocket?

It seems more plausible to me that it is the corner pocket.

 

[ShootingArts]

To paraphrase Aristotle:

Intelligence × knowledge (i.e., education) = insightfulness.
Insightfulness × experience = wisdom.

Personally, I've never encountered a dumb wise person, an uneducated wise person, or a young wise person. OTOH, I have encountered plenty of intelligent uneducated folks, educated folks who aren't terribly intelligent, and old folks who don't really understand much about the world or how it works.

Chris,

I had a business near LSU Baton Rouge. Huge campus and staff. One of my university professor customers replaced the new spare tire in his trunk because it was two years old. Many more weird things. I had to fire a man I liked. When working alone he was changing out the air in customer's tires that were on the ground so the car rode better, old air got lumpy! A customer told me to thank him then I confirmed it with several other customers. Tony did his best to talk me into doing it, the customers loved it! He wouldn't stop. He was making a day's pay from a handful of air changes a day!

Living in rural and suburban areas I can say that I have known many wise people that weren't educated. Maybe the wisest man I ever knew had a second to third grade formal education. Aside from his day to day wisdom about people, he knew how to farm and handle livestock. After a person reached undergraduate level in one of the huge nearby universities he taught them how to farm and handle livestock on the lab farm! His boss had a doctorate and didn't have walking around sense.

I watched a high level genius grow up. At six or seven he was very wise about some things, some not so much!

One of my hobbies when very young was reading very old books. I had read everything in the school library and nearby public libraries so I started reading everything I could get my hands on including science and medical books over a hundred years old. That was the education that people got in that day, along with some interesting "history!"

Much educational material is inaccurate and I am sure much being taught today is equally wrong. Remember that Galileo was forced to admit the sun circled around the earth on penalty of death if he didn't!

One or two hundred years from now much of what we are taught today will be proven wrong and things we scoff at will prove to have some merit.

We had a globe of the moon in my early science classes. It had a big pie slice of smooth plastic in one place. Man had never seen that slice of the moon! Some saw this globe and thought the moon had a huge smooth area.

I partnered with a man who had over eighty patents. One reason he had so many was that he would chase something to a dead end then forget about it and move on. Well educated, he had a PhD, intelligent, and wise! We met on a project I ran the mechanical end of. I ran the test lab, CAD equipment, and communications with outside shops from coast to coast. I also did early 3D modeling. Just wireframe but if something didn't fit together in a wireframe drawing it wasn't fitting together in the real world either!

Hu

 

[Bob Jewett]

... One of my university professor customers replaced the new spare tire in his trunk because it was two years old. Many more weird things. ....

It's well known that if tires are not exercised properly, they rot and get tire weevils, especially in cotton-growing areas.

But if he had a proper, complete, matching spare, a proper tire rotation pattern would have prevented the rot and kept the tire weevils at bay.

 

[ShootingArts]

It's well known that if tires are not exercised properly, they rot and get tire weevils, especially in cotton-growing areas.

But if he had a proper, complete, matching spare, a proper tire rotation pattern would have prevented the rot and kept the tire weevils at bay.

Yes, this was in 67-68 so they still had spare tires that matched the four on the ground. Everything was explained to the owner more than once. He wanted the comfort of knowing he had five new tires. He got five new tires! Two of his tires had lots of wear left so I tried to sell him three tires, put one of the less than half worn tires on the spare tire rim, and put the other new tire from the spare on the ground.

The customer isn't always right but unless it is dangerous they usually get their way!

Hu

 

[Bob Jewett]

...He got five new tires! Two of his tires had lots of wear left ...

Rotation! It's not just on the pool table.

 

[Mr Machine]

Mattress Firm????

 

[ShootingArts]

Rotation! It's not just on the pool table.

I didn't usually run the same tires front and rear so rotation wasn't usually an option. Too, if you follow the "X" rotation scheme you need to rotate every five to seven thousand miles or whatever they recommend these days. Cross rotating tires after they take a set causes them to come apart sometimes.

I was a Goodyear tire dealer from the age of fifteen. My sister's doodlebug, my brother in law's VW van, my mom's economy car, all the other cars in the family, were running fiberglass wide ovals on them when I got a good deal from the distributor!

Edit: When I was fifteen I would tune my car engine every week or two. I tuned it to spin the wheels as far as possible. My dad would raise hell, "You are burning up your tires!" "Yes, but I am the distributor and getting them at a good price."
Hu

 

[SeniorTom]

The way I see it is that God has made everything and he has made them spectacular in fashion . It would be a simple task for Him to align the Moon, the Earth and the Sun so that they move about our solar system as they do right now. To Him it is as easy as 1 + 1 = 2. How somebody can believe the Earth is flat when every other planet in the solar system is round , including the moons of every planet ! No I don't trust the government , they lie often times to gain money, power, and control. I am skeptical as to the government's claim covid-19 and especially it's vaccination shots, it doesn't take much to believe that they wanted to eradicate much of the population for their comfortability . I do not trust politicians , right and especially the left , because they are all bought and paid for by big Pharma and the likes .

 

[Sheldon]

Mattress Firm????

The Mattress Firm conspiracy theory claims that the company's ubiquitous, seemingly empty stores are fronts for money laundering or organized crime, fueled by the bizarre sight of multiple Mattress Firm locations sitting right across the street from each other with no visible customers.

 

[Mr Machine]

The Mattress Firm conspiracy theory claims that the company's ubiquitous, seemingly empty stores are fronts for money laundering or organized crime, fueled by the bizarre sight of multiple Mattress Firm locations sitting right across the street from each other with no visible customers.

Ahhhhh, Thank you. Thought they slipped that in as filler lol

 

[Chris]

Chris,

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Hu

Not all educated people are formally educated. Some, for example, are just observant and well travelled. Others keep their heads in books. Not every well-loved or well-respected old person is wise. I've net several well-respected elder folks who seemed wise when I was young, but as I grew older, more educated, more experienced, and better traveled, I learned their "wisdom" didn't hold up in the real world, about which they knew little.

 

[garczar]

I think that CJ might just be clowning with this. Think about it, the sun, moon and earth as a 3 ball combination? It seems too funny to be a serious statement from him. Any spheres that interact to him are another version of a combination shot in pool it would appear!

Hey CJ - is Sagittarius A*, the Milky Way's supermassive black hole the corner pocket or the side pocket?

It seems more plausible to me that it is the corner pocket.

If you've ever sweated any of his conspiracy lunacy you may have second thoughts. He's pretty out-there at times. WAY out there with Eberly&Co.

 

[sjm]

I think some people are placed onto this earth just to make the rest of us feel really smart. In a way, we owe all of them a debt of gratitude.

 

[Chopdoc]

he is right about an advanced civilization 20,000 years ago.

its called the natives and indians and such that lived then.

they had good family values and only took from the land what they really needed not wasted all the resources. and did not need all sorts of gimmicks and gizmos to occupy their time.

And had things like human sacrifice, attacked each other to steal females and breed them.

Of course, maybe it was just like a Disney cartoon...

 

[ghost ball]

What a dum dum.

 

[middleofnowhere]

Entirely possible. Main thing that comes to mind, CJ is hustler. lol

Go check out some of the FB flat-earth'rs. They are serious about this shit. Complete fkn idiots.

I think it's entirely possible too although 20,000 years would be too recent there'd be plenty of evidence. Probably more like a billion years ago where the entire civilization has been erased. That probably actually is the history of the universe.

Trillions of civilizations have come and gone not a trace left. Our civilization will go extinct sometime soon, at least soon in terms of geologic time. And everything we've built will just turn to dust as if we were never here.

 

[straightline]

I think it's entirely possible too although 20,000 years would be too recent there'd be plenty of evidence. Probably more like a billion years ago where the entire civilization has been erased. That probably actually is the history of the universe.

Trillions of civilizations have come and gone not a trace left. Our civilization will go extinct sometime soon, at least soon in terms of geologic time. And everything we've built will just turn to dust as if we were never here.

Modern rationality/common sense is mostly narrative. The actual carriers - the people- are only along for the ride anyway. In that sense public opinion is far from truth.

Besides the shit (pyramids for instance) sitting out in the back yard, I go by the proportions and scale of the immediate universe. Everywhere you look there is unfathomably more beyond perception.
Were not even particles here.

 

[sjm]

Modern rationality/common sense is mostly narrative. The actual carriers - the people- are only along for the ride anyway. In that sense public opinion is far from truth.

Besides the shit (pyramids for instance) sitting out in the back yard, I go by the proportions and scale of the immediate universe. Everywhere you look there is unfathomably more beyond perception.
Were not even particles here.

Good post. Two things that are true: a) there are things we don't yet understand (Stonehenge and the Pyramids are good examples) and b) some of what we think we know will be proven incorrect sometime in the future, much in the way that Copernicus proved in 1543 that the widely accepted geocentric model of the universe was in error and needed to be replaced by a heliocentric model.

Still, we're not debating the origin of the earth or the universe here, just the shape of the earth. We have been photographing the earth from space for over sixty years and there are so many images suggesting a basically spherical shape that it is hard to reach any other conclusion regarding its shape.

Is it possible that we're wrong and that the many such photos are a cosmic ruse that has misled us? Yes, it is, but we tend to reach our conclusions based on the evidence in front of us, so at least for now, the earth is round.

Unless it's possible that pool balls are flat, however, this thread is not pool related,