Filler’s 3-Rail Kick in the Reyes Cup … Was it the Right Choice?

[dr_dave]

What does gearing side spin mean? How exactly am I supposed to hit it?

See the 40% Rule here:

Gearing Outside/Running Spin and the 40% Rule​

Although, I would not recommend this technique for kick shots because it is too difficult to guarantee perfect stun and the exact amount of sidespin (especially after drag). Using a rolling CB with no sidespin is much more reliable with 1-rail kicks, adjusting for conditions and speed as required.

 

[sjm]

There is a way to play the one-rail kick that is more or less immune to how slippery the cloth is. Stun into the rail with gearing sidespin.

Perhaps that will take the guesswork out of how to produce the desired angle off the first rail, Bob, but wouldn't this choice lock you into a certain range of cue ball speeds? If so, at what speeds could this be accomplished?

 

[bbb]

There is a way to play the one-rail kick that is more or less immune to how slippery the cloth is. Stun into the rail with gearing sidespin.

And for @dr_dave
How can It be sliding i.e. stun and have side spin at the same time?

 

[freds]

How can I be sliding i.e. stun and have side spin at the same time?

same way you can hit a stop shot and leave the cue ball spinning in place

 

[Bob Jewett]

Perhaps that will take the guesswork out of how to produce the desired angle off the first rail, Bob, but wouldn't this choice lock you into a certain range of cue ball speeds? If so, at what speeds could this be accomplished?

In theory, the technique can be applied at any speed that you could play a stop shot at the distance of the rail. On slippery cloth, the low end will be fairly low.

Of course the technique has to be practiced for it to work in a game, and it seems to be uncommon knowledge.

The idea is to make angle out equal angle in without curve after the cushion, so you need to have no follow or draw on the cue ball. That would usually give you the sliding ball path after the cushion, which is a little short, and the running side spin cancels that.

 

[sjm]

In theory, the technique can be applied at any speed that you could play a stop shot at the distance of the rail. On slippery cloth, the low end will be fairly low.

Of course the technique has to be practiced for it to work in a game, and it seems to be uncommon knowledge.

The idea is to make angle out equal angle in without curve after the cushion, so you need to have no follow or draw on the cue ball. That would usually give you the sliding ball path after the cushion, which is a little short, and the running side spin cancels that.

Thanks, Bob.

 

[George the Greek]

I believe in going down swinging than playing a simpler hit that'll cough up a game as well. I set up the same shot and missed it exactly like Filler did then kicked it in on the 2nd attempt. I go 1-2-3-4 and 5 rail kicks if possible because I trust my instinct

 

[Bob Jewett]

What does gearing side spin mean? How exactly am I supposed to hit it?

In general, "gearing sidespin" means the cue ball has the correct amount of side spin to roll across whatever it is hitting without rubbing sideways.

Gearing side spin on a cut shot is "outside" spin and that will get you zero throw. You can have so much outside spin that the object ball is thrown to a thinner cut angle. You have to have the correct amount of side spin for the particular cut angle to get gearing.

With gearing side, if the cue ball has draw or follow it will rub up or down on the object ball. The follow/draw won't change the cut angle.

 

[HawaiianEye]

And for @dr_dave
How can I be sliding i.e. stun and have side spin at the same time?

The majority of my shots are on the equator of the cue ball with no top spin and only side spin.

I prefer it sliding to rolling on most of my shots.

It gives me better control of my speed and feel for the shot.

The cue ball is going to go "forward" no matter where you hit it.

I don't need to figure out how much top spin to put on the cue ball to make it go a further distance, I just use more speed.

I do use top, bottom, left, right, etc., but I am not appling it unless I need to (i.e., force follow, draw, etc.) because there is no need to be adjusting everthing like the pool scientists seem to think is the proper way.

I think "simpler" is better.

 

[Black-Balled]

That's regular english. "Short" is an earlier expression for short rail. A three railer going short is a three railer going long in pool.

Huh?
If your 3 rail comes short of the corner it goes to the long rail for rail #3.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Huh?
If your 3 rail comes short of the corner it goes to the long rail for rail #3.

Yup. @straightline is confused.

 

[straightline]

Yup. @straightline is confused.

Short ward. Short refers to the cushion not the ball line. No confusion.

Filler's shot went typically pool long. That's old school "short" (ward).

I find Filler's winningness at these short races more interesting than the plus or minus of an obvious risk like that kick.

Rice 2 Pibe. (race to five) You gotta ration everything; make it count. Does a blown 3 railer have any value to the shooter? Absolutely can. Feints, Feeds, Fillers...

 

[Bob Jewett]

... No confusion. ...

You have chosen to use the word differently from the norm. That causes confusion.

 

[straightline]

You have chosen to use the word differently from the norm. That causes confusion.

Nah, explained what I was saying and the usage way back there and had to reiterate for B cubed's challenge.

 

[bbb]

Nah, explained what I was saying and the usage way back there and had to reiterate for B cubed's challenge.

you have to understand I dont think like you do!!!!!!!

 

[bbb]

Bob Jewett said:
There is a way to play the one-rail kick that is more or less immune to how slippery the cloth is. Stun into the rail with gearing sidespin.

And for @dr_dave
How can It be sliding i.e. stun and have side spin at the same time?

@dr_dave and @Bob Jewett
please answer this question
thanks

 

[Black-Balled]

Nah, explained what I was saying and the usage way back there and had to reiterate for B cubed's challenge.

The rail is definitely the short one and the shot has definitely gone long if if goes there first.

If you call tea coffee then youll definitely be disappointed when you go to $tarbucks

 

[dr_dave]

Bob Jewett said:
There is a way to play the one-rail kick that is more or less immune to how slippery the cloth is. Stun into the rail with gearing sidespin.


@dr_dave and @Bob Jewett
please answer this quesstion
thanks

These question were answered well above, but here’s the answer to your question to me:

How can It be sliding i.e. stun and have side spin at the same time?
Hit the CB below center so the backspin wears off on the way, and also hit the CB left or right of center (to impart sidespin). In other words, use broom-left or bottom -right spin. Good visualizations of this can be found in the videos here:

spin axis flip demonstration​

 

[bbb]

These question were answered well above.

they were not or i dont understand
can a ball be spinning and sliding at the same time?
as i think about it more i guess if there is pure equatorial rotation (side spin) and the hit propels the cue ball forward
the bottom can maintain its position like a top rotatting on its axis while moving(sliding)forward
is that it ?
i dont think it was explained like that above

 

[dr_dave]

can a ball be spinning and sliding at the same time?

Yes.

as i think about it more i guess if there is pure equatorial rotation (side spin) and the hit propels the cue ball forward
the bottom can maintain its position like a top rotatting on its axis while moving(sliding)forward
is that it ?

Yes.

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