You settle it by flipping a coin. Loser of coin toss not only loses
the dispute, but he must also buy shots for all the players in the game.
the dispute, but he must also buy shots for all the players in the game.
First break, Russian Kenny and DD/Roy arguing over the rules. Kenny broke, the 10b and cue ball dropped.
https://www.facebook.com/RoysBasement/videos/373678606692611/
As jviss said, rules are now different for 10 ball.. sometimes it won't count
on the break, it gets spotted. It's not 9 ball rules with an extra ball.
I've seen tournaments where it counts on the break only in the sides or
back corner pockets.
Even if your brother-in-law "Rick the Rack" is doing the honors?:groucho:... In a ring game it’s usually another player racking..money ball should count anywhere.
If I jump into a ten ball ring game in a pool hall, I assume anything goes...
...if I make the ten on the break, I expect to get paid.
If someone wants to cite the latest rules of any organization, he should've declared before
a ball was struck..
Call shot , call shot with the option, ten doesn't count on the break or in certain pockets,
ten must be made in order.....these are Johnny come lately rules....say that's how you
want to play....I'll probably decide not to play......
....but I don't want to hear that the latest fad is the ONLY way to play.
Ten ball has been around a long time...traditionally played like nine ball.
The better players used to play 10 ball in ring games because it was too easy for them to run out with 9 ball. The rules were the same but with one more ball. The simplest possible change.!0 ball was traditionally played just like 9 ball??? Why bother adding the 10th ball then?? To me it seems kinda silly to play 10b just like 9b where slop counts, I was under the impression that 10b has always been a call shot game and thats what really separated it from 9 ball.
So far 27 people have voted and it's now 14-13. Even us pool gods on AZB can't come to an agreement.
That's proof that you have to establish rules BEFORE the game. That pretty much goes for all pool and billiard games.
I know this is an old thread but I'll chime in.
Lacking History
I don't know a lot of the history of pool through the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I don't expect many younger players do either. About the first 15 years of playing pool for me was all 8 ball and 9 ball. So I didn't look into 10 ball, banks, or 1 pocket until more recently. All I have to go off of is currently published rules or watching more recent matches on YouTube.
Essence of 10 Ball
So for me 10 ball has never been 9 ball with an extra ball. Without knowing it's exact history, it's only ever been what it is today which I interpret as being similar to 9 ball but taking more of the "Texas Express" out of it. And the posted rules are all I have to go off of.
10 Ball on the Snap
Normally I wouldn't assume the 10b on the break is a winner given published rules. And I always assume "racker's corners" rules only apply to rack your own. And I would also wonder if "racker's corners" rules make sense in 10b anyway because the rack shape is different and I'm not sure there's common unintentional (or intentional) gap configuration that'll make the 10 ball favor those pockets like it does in 9 ball.
Ring Games
But, in the end it is a ring game. So money is meant to be paid often. I've just never encountered a 10ball ring game before. I remember really being confused trying to learn all the rules and etiquette of a 9 ball ring game but I could tell the people teaching me have seen it hundreds of times. I'm not sure the same could be said of 10 ball ring games in terms of local experts. It does feel like it needs to be talked through first given how 10 ball is already a bit like 8 ball in terms of various house rules.
!0 ball was traditionally played just like 9 ball??? Why bother adding the 10th ball then?? To me it seems kinda silly to play 10b just like 9b where slop counts, I was under the impression that 10b has always been a call shot game and thats what really separated it from 9 ball.
I like that you are so surprised. You wouldn't be alone. And now that WPA 10-ball rules have been around for 15 years or so, less and less people remember how traditional 10-ball was played. Even some of the early TAR matches, the rules used for the 10-ball challenges were in flux. And of course today's Big Foot Challenge is played old school (no call).
Aside from gamboling and ring games in the 70's, professional 10-ball events were played in the late 1980's and early 1990's, no call shot just like 9-ball. It was clearly a different game than 9-ball due to the break leaving so many balls in the middle of the table. That one extra ball and the pyramid rack made way more than just a 10% difference. Remember that we didn't have template racks and the cloth hadn't transitioned to Simonis 860 yet. Combine that all, and 10-ball was some 25% more difficult than 9-ball. Players like Allen Hopkins perfected the "1-ball in the side pocket" break.
10-ball, because of the layouts leaving balls in the center of the table, was much more difficult to runout. And making nothing on the break was the norm as there wasn't the automatic wing ball on the break.
10-ball was my practice game for over 20 years before the WPA surprised us with changing to calling shots. I totally understand whythe WPA changed the rules so that 10-ball could stand on its own apart from 9-ball as a World Championship discipline, but the rules were changed. Older players who loved 10-ball already are going to hold grudges.
Freddie <~~~ grudges in hands
I believe the 10 was in its proper spot in the rack.... the 8 is in the middle or the 9 and the 10 when playing 8, 9, and 10 ball. It’s in the rules.
So it was never a legal rack. ...
First break, Russian Kenny and DD/Roy arguing over the rules. Kenny broke, the 10b and cue ball dropped.
https://www.facebook.com/RoysBasement/videos/373678606692611/
What the OP said was:The OP wrote that the 10 ball was in a racking corner, not the middle, which is how the dispute arose.
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What the OP said was:
While playing a 10 ball ring game player A racks the balls and player B breaks and makes the 10 ball in one of the racking corners.I take that to mean that the 10 ball was made in one of the foot pockets.
You take that to mean that the 10 ball was racked in a corner position in the rack.
Maybe the OP could clarify.
The better players used to play 10 ball in ring games because it was too easy for them to run out with 9 ball. The rules were the same but with one more ball. The simplest possible change.
That was done long before the current official rules of 10 ball which were invented specifically to be different from 9 ball.