Consensus "Greatest of All Time" (GOAT) List

sjm · Jun 24, 2019

flyvirginiaguy said:
Mike Sigel

Yes, and Sigel topped Reyes fairly consistently at that. Souquet also had a winning record against Reyes back when Efren was at his best, even when they played in Asia. Only talking nine ball in this post, by the way.

Sigel was hurt in this poll by the fact that Reyes and Strickland didn't vote. Each has named Mike Sigel as the best player they have ever seen.

dr_dave · Jun 24, 2019

If you are reading this thread and are not on the "People who have already voted" list below, please vote.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 218
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 100
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 86
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 54): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

dr_dave · Jun 24, 2019

flyvirginiaguy said:
dr_dave said:

Please make your opinion official by placing a vote (e.g., "Sigel 5") per the info in the first post.

Regards,
Dave

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Sigel 5

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 218
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 100
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 91
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 55): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Thank you for participating,
Dave

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

jay helfert · Jun 24, 2019

PoolBum said:
So who's at the top of your list for this era Jay, Efren or Jose?

And who are the other one or two players you think are the best you've seen play in your lifetime? Harold Worst?

Efren had the better all around game, but not by much. For money, Jose was also a killer at One Pocket or 14.1. Believe me, he could play those games.

9-Ball - Earl, Parica and Shane are my three best. Wu had just as big a game, but it only shows up in spurts. These three were/are consistently great. Sigel and Buddy would be my next two.

Ten Ball - Parica, Shane and Orcollo

One Pocket - Ronnie and Efren

14.1 - Mizerak, Lassiter and Sigel

Bank Pool - Eddie Taylor without question. Second was Johnny "Cannonball" Chapman. I put Brumbach behind these two.

All Around - Worst, Efren and Orcollo. Mizerak, Sigel and Varner are all close as well. Ed Kelly was the best of his era.

Greatest shot maker - Louie Roberts

Best money players - Parica, Buddy, Alex and Orcollo. Denny Searcy was as good or better than Buddy in the 1970's. Lassiter was the best of his era by far.

Most talented - Keith, he could do things that no one else before or since could do. Searcy is second here too. Also other worldly in his shot making.

Special mention - Harold Worst. He was in a class by himself in how he handled himself and his opponents. No one close there either.

Marc · Jun 24, 2019

Efren 5

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dr_dave · Jun 24, 2019

Marc said:
Efren 5

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 223
2 - Earl Strickland - 118
3 - Shane Van Boening - 109
4 - Nick Varner - 100
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 91
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 56): 9 Ball Fan, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

Thank you for participating,
Dave

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

flyvirginiaguy · Jun 24, 2019

sjm said:
Yes, and Sigel topped Reyes fairly consistently at that. Souquet also had a winning record against Reyes back when Efren was at his best, even when they played in Asia. Only talking nine ball in this post, by the way.

Sigel was hurt in this poll by the fact that Reyes and Strickland didn't vote. Each has named Mike Sigel as the best player they have ever seen.

A poll is based heavily on feelings (or how one feels about a certain player), and I don't read much into them myself. But, records (both gambling and tournament play) speak speak for themselves. If I voted on just my feelings, Nick Varner all the way.

dr_dave · Jun 24, 2019

flyvirginiaguy said:
A poll is based heavily on feelings (or how one feels about a certain player), and I don't read much into them myself. But, records (both gambling and tournament play) speak for themselves.

Part of "greatness" is certainly "the sense of greatness they inspire" and other "intangibles," regardless of their talent, longevity, and resume of big victories.

Regards,
Dave

flyvirginiaguy · Jun 24, 2019

dr_dave said:
Part of "greatness" is certainly "the sense of greatness they inspire" and other "intangibles," regardless of their talent, longevity, and resume of big victories.

Regards,
Dave

That kinda brings feelings into it, no? Who inspires me, may not inspire you. Who inspires Nick Varner may not inspire Earl, etc...
But, of course Mike inspired many, including Efren. Most see more recent videos of Mike (90s, 2000s), and yes, he has gotten a bit more annoying over the years (talkative). But, I do remember the days his cue did all the talking, and his record is representative of that time.

9andout · Jun 24, 2019

Efren 3
Earl 1
Shane 1

dr_dave · Jun 24, 2019

9andout said:
Efren 3
Earl 1
Shane 1

Thank you for participating.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 226
2 - Earl Strickland - 119
3 - Shane Van Boening - 110
4 - Nick Varner - 100
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 91
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 57): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

bobprobst · Jun 24, 2019

Efren 3
Earl 1
Sigel 1

Island Drive · Jun 24, 2019

I would vote, but I don't see the GOAT (Knoxville Bear) that I feel was thee best natural all round player.

All around GOAT....these two stand alone when playing all games when compared to any of their peers.

Remember Nicky went to the Phillipines and beat Effie in his prime on his home court.

Efren 3
Varner2

TwinkleToes · Jun 24, 2019

Efren - 2
Pagulayan - 1
Strickland - 1
SVB - 1

big_worm · Jun 25, 2019

Efren 2
Earl 2
Wu 1

Bic D · Jun 25, 2019

Efren 2
Earl 1
Sigel 2

dr_dave · Jun 25, 2019

bobprobst said:
Efren 3
Earl 1
Sigel 1

Thank you for participating.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 229
2 - Earl Strickland - 120
3 - Shane Van Boening - 110
4 - Nick Varner - 100
5 - Alex Pagulayan - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 92
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 58): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

dr_dave · Jun 25, 2019

Island Drive said:
I would vote, but I don't see the GOAT that I feel was thee best.

... then you should have voted and posted comments during the first round of voting.

Island Drive said:
Efren
Varner
Buddy Hall

Is this your vote? If so, I need scores for each name, adding to 5, per the voting instructions on the first post.

Catch you later,
Dave

dr_dave · Jun 25, 2019

TwinkleToes said:
Efren - 2
Pagulayan - 1
Strickland - 1
SVB - 1

Thank you for participating. You just moved Alex from 5 to 4 above Nick.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 231
2 - Earl Strickland - 121
3 - Shane Van Boening - 111
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 101
5 - Nick Varner - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 92
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 49
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 59): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TwinkleToes, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

dr_dave · Jun 25, 2019

big_worm said:
Efren 2
Earl 2
Wu 1

Thank you for participating.

Here's the Current Top 10 GOAT List (see the first post for more info and voting instructions):

Rank - Name - Score

1 - Efren Reyes - 233
2 - Earl Strickland - 123
3 - Shane Van Boening - 111
4 - Alex Pagulayan - 101
5 - Nick Varner - 100
6 - Mike Sigel - 92
7 - Buddy Hall - 51
8 - Francisco Bustamante - 51
9 - Johnny Archer - 50
10 - Wu Chia-ching - 50
11 - Dennis Ocollo - 47

NOTE - Anybody can vote in this round, even if you didn't vote in the first round.

People who have already voted in the second round (total number: 60): 9 Ball Fan, 9andout, atlas333, beetle, big_worm, Bob Jewett, bobprobst, CGM, charlietango7, Chili Palmer, Cornerman, deanoc, dontscratch, dr_dave, evergruven, flyvirginiaguy, follownoone, Get_A_Grip, gordml, Grilled Cheese, harleydon1950, highkarate, icucybe, jay helfert, JazzyJeff87, K2Kraze, kkdanamatt, Luxury, maha, Maniac, Marc, mark187, mattb, MattPoland, MississaugaFats, noMoreSchon, oldschool1478, parvus1202, Pete, Poolmanis, pt109, RailBanger, ricardo, Rimfirejunkie, Runnintable, Saint1500, SamShaddey, Scratch85, Sealegs50, sjharr, sjm, skogstokig, Snooker Theory, Sunchaser, Tennesseejoe, Tooler, TwinkleToes, TX Poolnut, West Point 1987.

PS: Remember, we are not just determining the consensus GOAT. We are also identifying the consensus Top 10 GOAT. So chose your vote points with this in mind. Voting ends on 6/30/2019, at which point the 11th spot will be dropped.

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