Thanks. That was my way of looking at it too.
Moral/Rules Question
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Thanks. That was my way of looking at it too.
To call a guy like that a nit gives nits a bad name. That's one reason I quit playing in leagues.
I agree with you that you took the right stance on this. However, this kind of thing is only one of the many, many reasons I neither play in leagues or play 8 ball. I don't consider pool a team sport, to be honest. I know a lot of people disagree with that but that's how I feel. I stick to Straight Pool and One Pocket these days.
Bob Jewett does have a good point. Playing in a league for years like I described earlier does (in a way) create bad habits. I know most of the players in Wichita that might show up at one of our weekly local tournaments; but many I don't know well. So it's not quite so friendly (so to speak) so I make sure I call my pocket and that my opponent understands.
Yes, the rule in my opinion sucks. I think you did the right thing. I've seen teams that use any loophole, no matter how petty to win.
The OP did the right thing. In league 8 ball, I tell my opponent up front they just need to call the pocket, no need to mark it. Everyone gets along with it OK. When you get up into the higher level tourneys, you probably should abide by the rules as at that level, the assholes will have appeared looking for any opportunity/loophole to get a cheap win.
Babysitting adults gets old, their parents should of done that long ago. Moving on was a good choice. It's no different than dating a new gal, till you spend time in different situations will you truly know who your sitting next too.
This reminds me of a time I was at a tournament once where everyone was playing doubles. One of the guys who went with us was on another team with his girlfriend. A guy on the other team scratched on the money ball and left it pretty much hanging in front of the pocket giving ball in hand to the girlfriend. When he scratched he caught the cue ball and threw it around the table several rails. So his body language was saying he was giving the last ball away as is the normal custom with ball in hand on a hanging money ball.
While the boyfriend was racking the other team mate said to the one who scratched that they were not giving anything away and called a foul on the boyfriend/girlfriend team for not shooting the money ball. As they argued it his caused the boyfriend to go ballistic and he wanted to fight. I finally got him away from them all and the referee agreed it was a foul, but almost changed his mind once the guy who threw the cue ball finally admitted he was intending to give them the game until his partner called a foul and the boyfriend started having an attitude. I told him he should have said that in the first place instead of letting things get out of hand. But at that point the boyfriend was barred for the day for un-sportsman like conduct so they lost the match anyway.
While the boyfriend was racking the other team mate said to the one who scratched that they were not giving anything away and called a foul on the boyfriend/girlfriend team for not shooting the money ball. As they argued it his caused the boyfriend to go ballistic and he wanted to fight. I finally got him away from them all and the referee agreed it was a foul, but almost changed his mind once the guy who threw the cue ball finally admitted he was intending to give them the game until his partner called a foul and the boyfriend started having an attitude. I told him he should have said that in the first place instead of letting things get out of hand. But at that point the boyfriend was barred for the day for un-sportsman like conduct so they lost the match anyway.
Morals...........
Never expect it, when your around liquor, bars, leagues and late nights, if someone has a pulse.:grin:
League play is LIFE ''miniaturized'' and well lit like an operating table.
Everything you see happening on and around a pool table happens 24/7 in all other aspects of life/work and the real world.
Never expect it, when your around liquor, bars, leagues and late nights, if someone has a pulse.:grin:
League play is LIFE ''miniaturized'' and well lit like an operating table.
Everything you see happening on and around a pool table happens 24/7 in all other aspects of life/work and the real world.
You are right there, you can tell how people act in their day to day life with how they behave at the table. And often the biggest complainer about someone cheating is the one most likely to cheat on his/her turn.
You are closer than you think. My player was on a "final warning about temper" promise not to lose it. I was pleased he did not take the other player outside and beat him to death. He told him "I promised these guys I wouldn't get mad but you better watch what you say". Pool leagues are so much fun
You have integrity, I feel that is very important in this game. Too bad the other team and some of your team mates dont have any. I can understand calling the 8. I play BCAPL where you are supposed to call non obvious shots. I always point to the pocket before I shoot the 8 in, if its a bank or carom I I watch for my opponent to acknowledge he saw me call my pocket. The problem with the not calling obvious shots is interpertation. Some guys dont call banks and combos, when I get someone that plays like that I will ask him to call his shots that are not obvious. If you dont do that you have guys playing a combo on balls that are near the jaws but they dont say which ball they are calling, they can make 1 of the 2 and say thats the one they were playing, how does anyone else know. You also have the guys that call everything but just kinda shrug their shoulders and cue, I know all of you know what I am talking about. They could be calling 1 of 3 or 4 balls in 3 pockets on the left or right of the table. They need to add a rule that your ball and pocket call has to be obvious to the opponent for some players. I would never call a foul on a straight in shot but I will ask a guy to call his ball and pocket on non obvious shots if he has not previously.
The thing I don't like about so many rules in our league is they lead to a dead end. You can't do so and so. But it doesn't say what happens if you do. The other thing I don't like is when I ask for a ruling the league operator says "who are the players?". My answer is always the same, "It shouldn't matter".
I once asked a room owner who ran major tournaments back in the 1970s why he didn't want to have a written set of rules available. His answer was that he wanted the rules flexible and known only to him so he could punish the players who needed to be punished.
I always have the best advice.
Who the hell gets beat 10-0 by 'the worst player on the othrr team', and then has the balls to get mad too?
I fail to undrstand.
Who the hell gets beat 10-0 by 'the worst player on the othrr team', and then has the balls to get mad too?
I fail to undrstand.
Management by objective. Drucker, deming, et al...i have always been a fan.
S.m.a.r.t.
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This guy isn't even that sophisticated. He has to pull out the rules and read them then can't decide what to do!! It also matters how late at night it is and how much he has had to drink.
Surprise Visit
Yesterday my "angry player" stopped by for the first time since the tournament a month ago. I was surprised, he was totally apologetic. He said "I am honest with myself. It wasn't you and I was never mad at you. I am a sore loser. I was mad at myself for losing, the other team because they were jerks and the league operator because he would not take a stand but mostly at myself. I thought I could control my temper but I guess not yet. If I can't play without getting mad I need to not play. I just wanted to apologize to you."
He is sitting out this season but may try again next season.
I thank all of you for the support and your comments.
Yesterday my "angry player" stopped by for the first time since the tournament a month ago. I was surprised, he was totally apologetic. He said "I am honest with myself. It wasn't you and I was never mad at you. I am a sore loser. I was mad at myself for losing, the other team because they were jerks and the league operator because he would not take a stand but mostly at myself. I thought I could control my temper but I guess not yet. If I can't play without getting mad I need to not play. I just wanted to apologize to you."
He is sitting out this season but may try again next season.
I thank all of you for the support and your comments.