allen hopkins billiard payouts 2012

You are a thousand % right on both points... the payouts are criminal and you will be BBQ'ed for sayin so. If Barry Behrman did this they'de linch him

Lol. His event has been this way for at least 15 yrs, probably since the beginning. Allen is not a dummy

schon267 said:

so was thinking of going to this tourny and was checking out payouts, and all I can say is wow!
SENIOR EVENT.... 365players @ 75.00 = 27,375.00
1-4th ..6,500
5-8... 2,800
9-16th. 2,000
17-32.. 5,600
total payouts= 16,900.00
difference........ 10,475.00

OPEN EVENT...... 979 players @ 75= 73,425.00
1-8th...14,800
9-16....7,200
17-32..11,200
33-64..16,000
total payouts= 49,200
difference.......24,225.00

money made on both= 34,700.00

think you pay quarters too, not sure?

now before you guys bbq me for this thread, I know promoter has to make some money, not opposed to that at all. lot of work and energy! this talley is only for 2 events, i am just opposed to making your whole year on 1 event. plus, i dont know about if tables are open or not? just seems like a lot to take to me. plus, there is no added money, just money taken out. it's a big event, and well supported it looks like, but 5,000 for 1st with that big a fiel seems weird. a guy who wins this event would have to play awsome! just some thoughts, let the bbqing begin! lol

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It's a great event and a chance for the bar banger to win some money. With the luck of the draw, your local Joe can almost win a bracket. I like it because if you do get into an easy bracket, you'll be sure to make some money.

Now the the senior event is too tough. Too may good players.

Cost a lot of money to run an event like this. Cost a lot to rent a booth too. I don't even think about what it takes to pay all the employees working the event. I can tell you...it's not cheap to rent the place.

Seems AZBilliards has a lot of cry babies. Always want to cry about something.

Pool should be fun and shouldn't always be about the money.

$34,700 is not a lot of money. I don't know what expenses come out of this but the tax bite will knock it down quite a bit.
With the pitiful state of money events now, this looks pretty good.

When you play amateur sports you do not make money.
If you win you have bragging rights, the worshipful awe of your peers, and entry to the bedrooms of the groupies.

Show up early...

...play the Wednesday night warmup and win 400 for beating just 3 players. Take that money, enter the open and place, win untold amounts betting the rail on the action table, play 20 a game for 10 hours a day and win 2/3 of your action sets for 100 and up.SBE is a beautiful thing, if you know how to move.
His take after all expenses is what he deserves for putting this on ,I wouldnt miss it for anything.

cueporn said:

...play the Wednesday night warmup and win 400 for beating just 3 players. Take that money, enter the open and place, win untold amounts betting the rail on the action table, play 20 a game for 10 hours a day and win 2/3 of your action sets for 100 and up.SBE is a beautiful thing, if you know how to move.
His take after all expenses is what he deserves for putting this on ,I wouldnt miss it for anything.

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Couldn't be said better.

Nobody is twisting anyone's arm to play.

And i dare anyone to find a tournament that pays $5k for 1st, with a $75 dollar entry fee, that has been consistently paying out that kind of money for 2 decades.

scaramouche said:

when you play amateur sports you do not make money.
If you win you have bragging rights, the worshipful awe of your peers, and entry to the bedrooms of the groupies.

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boom!!!!!!!!!!

One thing about this tournament is you know what you are playing for going in. To me this is one of the best tournament in the USA. I have seen the work that goes into this and no one could imagine unless you have been there. I feel sure it takes almost a year to get this thing together. I look forward to this every year and if any one has any doubts it should go and see it at least once. Thank you Allen for doing the great job you and your crew do for all the players.:thumbup::thumbup:

How much do you think Allen pays out for the 300+ diamond tables he sets up?? I think for the amount you pony up and what you can win is pretty fair. If your expecting more than 5k for first in the amateur after all is said in done then good luck. The SBE is the best paying tourney for your dime!! Hell when you go to the Turning Stone you drop 500 before you even hit a ball and them you have to best over 128 players to cash. Cash pay out at $550 starts at 17th-24th meaning you have to stay at least two nights which adds up to well over 700!!! Not saying rooms at the SBE are cheap but hey.... Its fricking pool man. It isnt golf :lol:

Unless you plan on winning the whole event (in any event) or placing really high then don't bother if you want to make money. If you want to have a great time and give it your best then go for it!! Just dont be surprised about what happens if you finish in the top 1/4 of the field and make diddly squat

SUPERSTAR said:

Nobody is twisting anyone's arm to play.

And i dare anyone to find a tournament that pays $5k for 1st, with a $75 dollar entry fee, that has been consistently paying out that kind of money for 2 decades.

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Here is someone who gets it. The SBE has been by far and away the best amateur event off all time.
The fact is it takes tremendous work and money to put this event on it would be a crying shame to see it gone



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I read this thread, and I am one of the operators of the bar table amateur event.
Yes, just on face value, the differences between entries and payouts is an eye sore for the outside player, however, you are missing a couple key points as to where some of that excess money belongs.
First, in the negotiations of hosting such a large scale event at a venue like this, you can expect a pretty penny for rental fees. Not only do you have to pay for the maintenance of the facility, but the lighting, heat, air conditioning (if necessary) and their conditions staff. And trust me, having asked around for my own personal events, it's not cheap.
Of your $75 entry fee, a portion of that goes to the previously mentioned up keep, as well as a greens fee for the table rentals from the provider.
And do not forget the countless hours that the SBE Staff puts in. Starting with Allen Jr. who is pretty much glued to a seat and a computer formatting and coordinating the Event pretty much right after last years Event for countless hours to provide a suitable setting, and a worth while Expo. Then our Tournament Staff gets ahold of all the entries, in each division, and Ceci Strain has to format that for myself and the remainder of the Desk Staff and Referees. Our time and efforts is not free, and I can tell you, the last two years, there was not one day that I put in less than 16hrs at the desk, other than Sunday.
Your entry fee is also gaining you access for the entire weekend through the Vendor Expo, and is not just a daily pass.
Keep in mind, this is not the APA or the BCA Nationals where money is provided by League Sanctioning Fees, this is an Independent Event on an extremely large scale, and there is more to the operation than just your average pool room or bar room tourney.
There is SO MUCH behind the scenes that you would not believe that is involved in coordinating this Event, and funding it.

People are so nitty its not even funny. The amatuer open is really just a side car for the expo which brings everyone together. There is an event for everyone. A four day pass will cost you $35.00, kids under 13 are free....so the the actual tourney cost is like $40......Where else can you play a "mostly" amatuer event for $5000 top prize and a min cash is over 7 times what you pay to get in the event?

Most might not even know this nugget from their website:
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One of the exciting aspects of the Super Billiards Expo is our overnight playing area - the Midnight Poolroom! All 180 of the Diamond Barbox tables will be open for play until 6 in the morning each night during the show (except Sunday). Of these, 162 will be open for free play, and our 18 table practice arena will be 25 cents a rack.
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I agree with some events you weight out payouts vs the need to go, however I do not think this is that type of event. As others have noted there are plenty of ways to make some money ESPECIALLY if you are the type of player that cashes in events.

I believe only $50 of the $75 goes to the tourney. The other $25 gets you in the expo.

cueporn said:

...play the Wednesday night warmup and win 400 for beating just 3 players. Take that money, enter the open and place, win untold amounts betting the rail on the action table, play 20 a game for 10 hours a day and win 2/3 of your action sets for 100 and up.SBE is a beautiful thing, if you know how to move.
His take after all expenses is what he deserves for putting this on ,I wouldnt miss it for anything.

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I coulnt agree more, I really enjot it and Allen & his crew bust their ass setting it up and running it. It sure looks easy to do

Poolplayers always seem to be worried about the money someone else is making

justadub said:

Poolplayers always seem to be worried about the money someone else is making

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Not nearly as much as unions do .

schon267 said:

so was thinking of going to this tourny and was checking out payouts, and all I can say is wow!
SENIOR EVENT.... 365players @ 75.00 = 27,375.00
1-4th ..6,500
5-8... 2,800
9-16th. 2,000
17-32.. 5,600
total payouts= 16,900.00
difference........ 10,475.00

OPEN EVENT...... 979 players @ 75= 73,425.00
1-8th...14,800
9-16....7,200
17-32..11,200
33-64..16,000
total payouts= 49,200
difference.......24,225.00

money made on both= 34,700.00

think you pay quarters too, not sure?

now before you guys bbq me for this thread, I know promoter has to make some money, not opposed to that at all. lot of work and energy! this talley is only for 2 events, i am just opposed to making your whole year on 1 event. plus, i dont know about if tables are open or not? just seems like a lot to take to me. plus, there is no added money, just money taken out. it's a big event, and well supported it looks like, but 5,000 for 1st with that big a fiel seems weird. a guy who wins this event would have to play awsome! just some thoughts, let the bbqing begin! lol

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Guess someone has already mentioned venue and table set costs . My brother does remodeling and painting , everybody figures his costs for him before he submits a bid , they always leave some of his costs out .